Speech to Innovation Bay: Australian Business in the Online Economy
Thankyou very much Ian Gardiner and congratulations not just for the success of Viocorp but also for setting up Innovation Bay. And can I also thank Nick Abrahams and the partners of Norton Rose for hosting this event.
It’s a great pleasure to be with you all – a group of people whose common bond is an abiding interest in technology, entrepreneurship and high growth companies. You are really working at the very forefront of the type of businesses that Australia needs more of, if we are to remain a high-wage, developed economy.
The truth is that the globalisation phenomenon brought on by the Internet and associated technologies, has created many more opportunities than ever before. But it has also created a much more competitive world. And so we now face what used to be low-wage, low-skilled economies in the developing world, that are now lower-wage but very high skilled economies competing with us.
Technology has meant that so many industries and jobs that used to be not trade exposed are now trade exposed. There are so many examples – lawyers being one of them, accountants being others. If you had a dress shop a few years ago you would have thought your competitors were up the road or at the local Westfield. Nowadays it is the entire world.
The competitiveness is the biggest single feature of this from an Australian perspective. And that means of course that we have to be more innovative, more technologically advanced, more creative and above all, more productive. So we shouldn’t imagine that the great big digital world, the global village – whatever you want to call it – is all champagne and roses. It is not – there is a lot more competition as well as a lot more opportunity.
When the commercial Internet first got under way twenty years or so ago there was a view that because it annihilated distance, it had advantaged the periphery at the expense of the centre and that we would all be able to have our software development company on a mountain top in Alaska or Tasmania. And you could trade shares from anywhere so why did you need to be in a financial centre?
I remember being staggered in the mid-1990s, it would have been about 1995 just shortly after we started OzEmail. Not long after that I remember we had a legal issue that had come up in the course of my work – I was an investment banker in those days – and I wasn’t happy with the advice that the guys in Australia were getting. But I was in Colorado.
And I was amazed at how easy it was, even on the poor connectivity you had at the time, to haul up all the law reports and case law and statutes – even in those days. And of course that’s now commonplace. I’m sure most of the young lawyers here at Norton Rose wouldn’t know what a law report looked like. It’s a dusty thing they see on the partners’ bookcases. They probably assume there’s a small bottle of scotch contained within it. And they may well be right, of course.
But here’s the thing: All of that connectivity has not in fact benefited the periphery at the expense of the centre. If anything, it has benefited the centre at the expense of the periphery. The financial centres, the technology centres are more powerful than ever. And we can talk about that a bit more later. But this is a very significant issue.
And if you are interested in this, because it bleeds into the issue of cities and urbanism, I would commend to you Ed Glaeser’s book The Triumph of the City. Enrico Moretti’s very new book called The New Geography of Jobs. And there’s a lot of work being done on what makes an innovative city – Richard Florida of course has written extensively about this.
Why is it that Palo Alto is such an important hub of venture capital, technology development and all of those associated sectors and services and skills? And yet other parts of the United States or the world which have equally good universities in their area – because you can’t say the answer is simply Stanford – why don’t they have anything like the same innovative industries there?
One of the things that is very important to keep in mind too is that all politicians like to appear in hard hats and fluoro vests. Me somewhat less so. But I remember when Kevin Rudd was first Prime Minister, he was hardly ever not in a fluoro vest and a hard hat. And I asked once whether he was auditioning for a role in a remake or a re-run of the Village People. And speculating as to whether Wayne Swan would appear in the Indian headdress. But the truth is that our future of job growth in this country depends on innovation.
And this is why Moretti’s work is really very interesting, he’s a very smart economist at Berkeley and what he has done is quantify the job creation from innovative industries. And it’s not just geeks and techos and entrepreneurs and so forth – the truth is that every single type of job in centres which have a strong innovation culture are a) more numerous and b) better paid. And so it benefits everybody. Anyway I won’t do any more of the précis of Moretti’s book but I strongly commend it to you.
Now the challenge here in Australia, the conundrum here in Australia has always been this. We know it’s a great place to live. We know we’ve got good universities. We know we’ve got a well educated population. We are not by nature deferential, I think we need to be less deferential by the way you know I’ve often described Australia as having a non-deferential culture. I think it would be fair to say it is not non-deferential enough. There’s still too much of “not invented here” going on. You need – we need to embrace as a society, as a culture – we need to have the courage to embrace the creative destruction – or the destructive creation – that Schumpeter wrote about.
The fact that great businesses can be basically destroyed overnight and replaced by new ones, you’ve got to recognise that as an opportunity not a threat. And look at the risks that enterprises take when they don’t do that. I mean there are so many examples – Kodak, there’s a long list of them.
But just think about this city here, think about Fairfax. This was a business that actually totally owned the classified advertising business in the analogue era in Sydney and Melbourne. Totally dominated it. I remember talking to Kerry Packer decades ago about his regular musing on starting a new newspaper because he’d sold he Telegraph to Rupert Murdoch in the 1970s and his conclusion invariably was that Fairfax just had a lock, a monopoly on classified and without that you weren’t a contender.
So when the ability to provide classified advertising, offer classified advertising, on a much more cost-effective, much more functional platform, the Internet, when that became available did Fairfax embrace it? No they ignored it. Because they had managers and a board that said we don’t want to cannibalise our legacy business. We don’t want to compete with ourselves. And you know what happened? Someone else cannibalised their business.
So unless you’re prepared to cannibalise your own business, unless you are prepared to be as the owner of a legacy business as disruptive as the people that are taking you on, you will just be left behind. And so you’ve got mastheads now, the Herald and The Age, what are they worth? Not very much judging by the market cap of the company.
I remember when they were worth billions, over $1 billion each and that is an incredible destruction of value and that’s an example. So we are innovative, we are well educated, we’re not deferential, though we should be less deferential. Why is it that more of our GDP is not generated from our own IP? Is it because we’re not risk takers?
Well we are risk takers. Look at the Australian investment in the mining sector, maybe that is where all the venture capital – or perhaps in some cases the adventure capital – goes. So we haven’t had until recently what you could describe as a dynamic innovation focused business culture and that provided all of the elements that provides incentives for researches to commercialise their work, that encourages businesses to invest continuously in innovation, and channels capital towards high-risk high-reward opportunities by funding and valuing world class scientific and technical skills.
Now that is starting to develop, but we need to do more of that and I’m very keen to hear from you as to what are the levers we can pull, what more can we do in Government to promote that more innovative culture?
Now I’ll just give you a statistic that I think is very interesting from the US. The Kauffman Foundation pointed our recently that over the 25 years to 2005 “nearly all net job creation in the United States occurred in firms less than five years old …. without start-ups, net job creation for the American economy would be negative in all but a handful of years.”
Now having said that we all know that most start-ups don’t make it. Roughly a third close by their second year. Only half make it to age five. I have invested in start-ups where I’ve lost the entire investment in less than 180 days which I regard as being extremely discourteous. I think you’ve got to have some manners and I think if you’re going to lose your investor’s capital you really shouldn’t lose all of it in less than 12 months. There’s got to be some dignity.
The challenge for us therefore is what is going to make the difference here? Some people say the tax system, our taxes are too high. I guess they are but just watch this space, they’re going to go up in the United States. In the US in 2012 the US raised 16 per cent of GDP in revenues and spent 23 per cent of GDP. So obviously Americans are going to have to pay more tax and they’ll have to spend less too. Certainly taxes are going to have to go up. So I don’t know whether the tax advantages in the United States are going to be that much greater.
There is clearly an issue with employee options. I think the settings there clearly are not working — they’re not appropriate and not effective, and Nick and I were talking about that earlier, and that’s something that we are looking at pretty closely. I’m very keen to hear more from you about what we might do. I think a big part of it, however — and this is where organisations like this can make a real impact — is by doing more to publicise the success of investments in innovation.
And you can’t just leave it to the media. I’m not here to complain about the media. Winston Churchill once said, complaining about the media is like complaining about the weather. There’s nothing you can do about it. Whatever you say will have no effect. But the truth is, there is not enough prominence given to the successful investments, because that’s really what the investors need to know about. They need to know that this is a line of activity, a line of investing, that is actually going to pay off.
Unfortunately, all too often the failure, or the lack of success, gets one thousand times more press than the successful investment. And I think networking is absolutely critical. You know, when you boil it all down, that is what makes Silicon Valley work. That is what makes Silicon Alley works. It is the proximity, the connectedness of good lawyers, financial people, programmers, entrepreneurs.
That is why if you were starting a new technology business in the United States, even though taxes in California are higher than just about anywhere else, you would in all probability move to the Valley. Why would you do that? Because you are going to be closer to people who are likely to give you money but also there’s a big pool of people that you can hire. This is why we are seeing the triumph of the city.
There are a whole lot of other social changes that lead into that which I won’t go on with. But cities are more and more important than ever. We thought technology would benefit the periphery at the expense of the centre but it hasn’t. So we are, if you like, at the periphery and what we have to do is make ourselves a centre. Not the centre, there’s always going to be several centres but we have to make ourselves a serious technology innovation centre. And that’s what I’d like to discuss with you and hear your views.
Now, I’m just going to say something on the NBN. You’ve all heard me speak about this a thousand times. It’s almost becoming tedious repetition but firstly, we the Coalition see ubiquitous, affordable, very fast broadband as a bedrock requirement for a successful digital economy. And a successful economy, full stop.
We are absolutely committed to delivering the NBN sooner, cheaper and more affordably than the way Labor is going about it. We would not have set up a government-owned company to do it but it’s there and the job has to be completed. Leaving aside all the issues about competition and government ownership – happy to discuss them if you wish – the fundamental problem that the NBN has at the moment is that the network is being built far too slowly and at far too great an expense. And that’s an issue both for the people that are paying for it, that’s you in your capacity as taxpayers, and the people that will ultimately use it, that’s you in your position as consumers or business-people who are purchasers of the connectivity.
So how do you do that? Is there anyone from the technology media here, by the way, anyone? No? We are so let down. Again, I’m going to complain about the media. We are so let down by the so-called technology media, here in Australia. The commentary about the NBN and the issues associated with it is just so unbelievably uninformed. I find it extraordinary—when did you last read a piece anywhere that goes into some depth about what’s being done in other countries – in comparable countries, whether it’s the United States or Britain or continental Europe or East Asia?
You don’t see that and there is a sort of cheerleader approach to the NBN which is actively, actively misleading people. The truth is there is no country in the world that is spending the sort of money – anything remotely approaching the sort of money our Government is spending on broadband. There is no country in the world that is building a new Government monopoly customer access network.
The commentary here is just terribly, terribly ill-informed. So I’m happy to talk about that if you’re interested. But it’s one of the things that we struggle about, where you ask yourself, ‘Why is it that the most parochial part of our media is in fact our technology media?’ It’s an incredible paradox because everywhere else – you know in the business pages, you are reading about what is going on in the international economy. You pick up the financial pages and you can get a very, very comprehensive run down of what’s happening in Europe and what is happening with the fiscal cliff in the United States. But with technology it’s just so inward looking. Anyway on that not-so-cheerful note, over to you and look forward to your questions and feedback.




22 Responses to “Speech to Innovation Bay: Australian Business in the Online Economy”
Mr. Turnbull, how can you be on record saying the Coalition will deliver the NBN faster and cheaper and more affordably when Tony Abbott has repeatedly and recently been on record as saying he’ll pause the NBN and it’s a white elephant!
The Chief Technology Officer (CTO) of BT is on record as saying that FTTN was a mistake, yet you continue to push this outdated technology as next-generation broadband.
HFC is another outdated technology that in Australia has seen little investment. Incremental increases to DOCSIS 3 have provided speed increases to the cable headend but HFC is a shared technology that can’t provide for the future needs of bandwidth. The number of people connected to HFC broadband services who complain about performance issues is very high and won’t get better.
When countries such as Ukraine have halted FTTN and move to FTTP this demonstrates that FTTN is not suitable for ultra fast broadband.
New Zealand’s FTTN deployment was a total disaster.
You mention that no other country in the world is spending the money that the current government is for broadband infrastructure, but you fail to mention that the model of NBNCo is to return a profit once the network is built.
The FUD that is being spread by the Coalition is disgusting. Myopic views will see the Coalition spend the next term of office in opposition.
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Me dull. You smart. That’s just what I nedeed.
So you say cheaper and faster?
How much is your FTTN going to cost compared with NBN plans? Including Telstras gouging line rental of course.
Faster? How much faster in MBps is your FTTN going to be compared to FTTH? Oh of course, you’re using “Faster” as a weasel word because you mean ‘faster to deploy’ (which is a lie on it’s own) when you want people to think you mean “faster speed internet”.
So where is the plan? I’m on the three year roll-out for NBN and already have sadly lacking DOCSIS 3 HFC, the upload simply isn’t enough for the household.
And how much are you going to have to spend to buy the telstra copper? 10 billion? 12? And what happens when Telstra turn around and cherry pick the richest parts of the cities to do FTTH, stranding your fail FTTN by the side of the roar?
You plan is a disgrace.
You’re a disgrace for trying to trick the people into believe your lies and spin.
You and the rest of the Liberal party are winding down the same road that Mr Romney tried. Throwing FUD, lies and BS down the throat of the people with the help of the mainstream media who want the NBN destroyed because of how quickly it will hasten their destruction.
It didn’t work in the US and it won’t work here.
Congratulations, you’re a worse proposition than a minority government with some of the most stupid, idiotic, backstabbing, corrupt morons in the history of Australian government running it.
I have NBN connected in Armidale, at 100/40mbps – does this mean that I have an advantage in the business world at all? The several business houses in Armidale that are connected – do they have an advantage?
I think that the Liberals had better start looking at their voter base – who NEED better broadband. The Sydney business who can see a butcher in Armidale running on better broadband will not be happy to be told that they will get “poor mans NBN” of 25Mbps. They will vote to ensure they GET FIBRE!
“We are absolutely committed to delivering the NBN sooner, cheaper and more affordably than the way Labor is going about it”
I call BS on that comment.
We want a reliable network that will work well into the future not a bargain basement job that’s going to cost more in the long term.
Secondly, your leader keeps insisting that the NBN will not continue.
The coalition had the opportunity to rollout fttn in 2005, but rejected Telstras offer. By the time of the next election, it’ll be 10 years too late for fttn, compared to fttp. Time to get with the program Malcolm Turnbull.
Folks…not sure that this column focusing on Turnbull’s “NBN cheerleader” tech media remarks disproves his point. It may be fun to write about, but pretty sure it’s not useful to entrepreneurs, investors and service providers all struggling to build a more viable digital economy ecosystem in Australia. Turnbull’s speech highlighted a number of issues related to our struggling technology and start-up ecosystem: the changed global competitive landscape; tax (specifically the complex treatment of stock options); our relative lack of success stories; and the implications of building vibrant digital hubs densely populated with diverse and highly skilled technology and business talent. Shame your post did not detail or expand on those issues because we need much more of those discussions in our media and our industry forums. NBN of course is a key part of that…but it is only a part.
As a former business tech journalist (BRW waay back) and the moderator of the Q & A session with Turnbull at Innovation Bay yesterday, have to say there is room for some improvement in Aus tech coverage. I think we get too sidetracked by largely repetitive discourse about NBN issues at the expense of a deeper exploration into a range of inter-related issues affecting our competitiveness as a nation and our role in a globalised tech-driven economy.
Renai…you have every right to defend your profession…but I just don’t think it is “the” story we need right now.
Sandy, it is not a simple issue.
Unfortunately a Colonial attitude has been engendered in Australia.
I remember when the CSIRO and Aust uni’s sought funding from the Conservative Government back in the 60’s for research and a prototyping/manufacturing facility in semiconductor and integrated circuits to be based in WA with the WA uni as lead. Knocked back as they believed our future was agriculture and mining – “Colonial Economy” – technology, just import or locally manufacture overseas products.
The US however invested much in scientific R & D which benefited their economy and made them the technology leaders which led to their healthy innovation culture, our Colonial Government and Business sector preferred to hang off someone else’s coat tails
Google “Q&a: ‘IPad Deconstructed’ Forum Makes Case for Federal Research”
Even before that, post WW2 the CSIRO and Aust uni’s were among the World leaders in Computer Sciences and built one of the first supercomputers (CSIRAC). Unfortunately the Government CBA determined there was no future in computer technology and cut funding to that line of research, in fact limiting funding technology research generally. It took the Whitlam/Hawke/Keating governments to change that. That is why we have so few technology patents, note the years of the CSIRO’s key technology patents.
Prior to Whitlam, seed funding was a non issue in Aust. In fact that was one of the reasons they were hated by certain sectors because they funded start ups, not many successfull, but not bad for amateurs and the program would have been a winner, Howard destroyed it and bankrupted the startups with the greatest glee.
The areas of research the conservatives funded are medical ( self interest ) and agricultural
Worth reading this article
http://www.technologyspectator.com.au/emerging-tech/applications/what-if-bill-gates-was-australian?opendocument&src=idp.
The media and the Conservative Parties , the true blues and the private schools have created the National mindset over the decades and it is incumbent on them to change that mindset for our Nation to thrive, it won’t just happen especially with the Alan Jones’s, Bolt’s and their ilk shaping public attitudes
Worth adding some further links
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/11/16/parochial-turnbull-slams-nbn-cheerleader-media/#comment-525441
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/11/15/budde-praises-coalition-nbn-plan/
Add another link
http://www.technologyspectator.com.au/coalitions-nbn-right-track
Just in case my comment does not appear
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/11/16/parochial-turnbull-slams-nbn-cheerleader-media/#comment-525441
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/11/15/budde-praises-coalition-nbn-plan/
Further interesting reading
http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/11/16/3634499.htm
And of course Morretti’s lead point of evidence for what follows are two towns that could not have moved further apart – one where the innovators clustered, and one where they did not.
Given the case being argued you can imagine, or if you prefer read the book and discover, the contrast.
But there is a simple reality here.
And that is, and this is a very important point: Innovation reduces the need for labour in the extinguishment of a particular need or want.
What causes dud town to fester and whizkid town to thrive is that the gross profit sitting over the innovation moves more to the labour reduction innnovation producers and away from the labour hired.
This is why the gap between the rich and the poor grows.
This is not to deny the innovative force that can and should be harnessed and facilitated.
It is to say that equally, if we are going to pull this off, we need innovation in the way the fruits of the development and distributed.
It is this latter point, the how we organize ourselves point, that the real gains are to be found.
Take this point.
In the press today there are reports of the notion of higher wages being a bad thing, purportedly from the mouth of the business council.
Now we all understand the game here, and if I was in the seat at the business council I would be running the same line.
But if the objective is not to have higher wages then what the hell is it?
My view is that in order to create a situation where innovation flourishes you need to have something in it for the guys that don’t succeed.
I mean, excuse me if I just look for the practical reality, and the solution, in the context of a sense of common purpose.
It’s the Australian in me.
The problem is that from the point of view of a firm, laying people off with cheaper replacement technology is a plus.
However, from the point of view of the individual layed off it is a minus.
Two big drivers.
The solution will be in that.
Great, George. Speaking as a country-town dellewr, one can but applaud your efforts/thinking.And, you write, But in the end you’re at the mercy of Joe Farmer’s rickety old TV antenna for retail connections. Speaking for people in this town, and by looking at their TV antennas, 80-90% have already upgraded their antennas for digital. Many homes etc here have new, large and well elevated 86 element Yagi UHF jobs, with great reception. At ANU we discussed putting an audible signal strength meter in the modem so you (or an installer) could peak the signal from the tower. I also think that one may find these have already been correctly peaked/aligned via the signal-strength meters in set-top boxes. Do you suppose back channel could be handled by normal phone lines, as satellite access is?Thanks sincerely for your efforts George, on behalf of we country folk. Stephen Loosley
For example, and there are 1000’s of ideas that will have to be worked through to get to the end point, but there is this:
What about a system whereby business tax was lower for a firm that had a higher:
number of customers sold to
—————————————
total revenue in dollars
ratio.
And perhaps similarly imputation tax credits were adjusted down where the:
number of shareholder
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total dividends paid
ratio was lower.
Does that incetivise a benefit to all dynamic driven by self interest?
Tear that idea apart for me.
Regards,
Jack
Jack
Worth reading this article
http://www.technologyspectator.com.au/emerging-tech/applications/what-if-bill-gates-was-australian?opendocument&src=idp.
We need more entrepreneurs and less lawyers basically. No one takes on the legislative bloat even in the Coalition. How much of the legislation is really needed? Imagine what legislation would look like if the ideas of Alan Siegel were employed.
As the Australian Productivity Commissioner commented in “The To Do List”, a list published into pent up demand (though the list it is claimed was sitting in the warehouse in somewhat un-assembled state), pent up demand pented up by a mention by a bloke named Stevens with the brand “Reserve Bank” tattooed to his forehead in a sermon on an appropriate mound (if not quite a mountain), some months ago, and I quote:
“[Labour productivity is about skills and...], more importantly, where and how well these are being put to use (and combined with capital) in enterprises and industries throughout the country.”
Now I am no mathematician.
If all a computer can do is have zones of stuff on a chip either big zappy or little zappy, spot 1352 is 1 or 0 next? leave it 0, and that all life is a function of 4 chemical bases, it seems to me that layering complexity may not always lead to more.
So consider this.
Is it not the case that when the productive capacity of non-human technology in an economy reaches a point where attaching it to an exiting worker adds more than attaching it to a new worker, either:
a) labour productivity must decline (still employ though don’t need to), or
b) money for nothing increase (sit down you are getting in the away but here’s your cut), or
c)the gap between rich and poor increase (it’s mine you weren’t here sorry)?
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