NBN Not Meeting Construction Timeframes
Our consistent criticism of the NBN Co’s strategy is that it will cost far too much money and take far too much time to complete the broadband upgrade.
The Coalition is totally committed to ensuring that all Australians have access to very fast broadband. However because we will take a more businesslike approach to the project, we will deliver it sooner, at less cost to taxpayers and therefore more affordably to consumers than Labor will.
The latest NBN rollout figures have been released today, a public holiday, in the hope that little attention will be paid to the dismally slow progress of the construction.
The Government has also released answers to Senate questions revealing that Senator Conroy’s department has continued to ghost write suitably flattering articles about the NBN for various newspapers.
The NBN Co has sought to create the impression that it is ahead of its targets by inventing the nonsense metric of “premises where construction is commenced or completed”.
The only meaningful metrics are the number of premises actively connected and the number of premises which are passed by the fibre network and can be connected at the customer’s request.
The Government is keen to talk up the productivity benefits of the NBN, but fails to acknowledge that this snail’s pace construction project, by its delays, is continuing to deny all of those benefits to those millions of Australians who are waiting and waiting and waiting.
The Coalition’s more business like approach, in line with that taken by telcos around the world, will see the NBN completed much sooner, much cheaper and more affordably than Labor will be able to do under its current plan.
NBN Co Not Meeting Its 12 Month Construction Timetable
In the second half of 2011, the NBN has stated that it began construction on its fibre networks in brownfields areas containing more than 100,000 premises. Of these, only 17,240 were declared ready for service in the second half of 2012.
So the NBN has shown itself unable to meet its own stated 12 month construction timeframe except for a handful of sites.
Take-Up Sluggish
Take-up on the NBN is slightly better than 10 per cent across its networks, below the 13.8% it needs to meet its corporate plan targets. Not surprisingly the NBN is now giving RSPs $108 for each customer they switch over to the NBN as long as it is done before June 30 – all in an effort to meet their already downgraded targets in advance of the election.
Bulk of Houses Passed in Second Half of 2012 Were Via Satellite
The NBN says it “added” more than 125,000 premises to houses “passed by its network” in the second half of 2012. However, more than 65% of that increase was in extending the satellite footprint – which doesn’t require the same exhaustive design and physical construction as fibre and wireless networks.
NBN Again Changes Definition of ‘Premises Passed’
At least 4,000 of the brownfields premises passed have been counted as ‘early release Fibre Serving Area Modules’ (FSAMs) – meaning that the NBN is no longer waiting until entire FSAMs are ready to switch on to the network before counting them as having been ‘passed’.
This is despite the NBN stating in its corporate plan that the ‘premises have been passed’ once “all design, construction, commissioning and quality assurance activities in an FSAM have been completed for the Local network and Distribution network”. (Corporate Plan, p.94)
This revision to the definitions (in order to make it easier for NBN to meet its targets) is in addition to having changed the way it counts houses passed in greenfields areas – it now counts ‘lots passed’ regardless of whether there are any premises constructed ready to take a service on the lot or not.
54 Responses to “NBN Not Meeting Construction Timeframes”
Mr. Turnbull, you consistently say the Coalition will build this faster and at less cost, but you repeatedly fail to provide details on *how* you will achieve this.
Simply saying you can do something doesn’t mean it will be done.
With my 15 years experience in networking, including national ISPs and international experience (most recently the UK) I – along with many of my colleagues – have considerable doubt that this is indeed possible.
The Coalition position is to use technology that is already antiquated with both copper (used in FTTN) and HFC already at the end of their useful life in all sense of the word.
The NBN in it’s current form is the greatest national infrastructure project in decades, yet you want to cobble it and increase the digital divide that already exists.
The mainstream media has reported Coalition MPs expressing concerns with the state of copper in various towns and cities in Australia and are calling for fibre optic cable to replace it, yet you insist on continuing with the belief that somehow copper will be good enough!
Instead of telling the voters of Australia what they want, you should be listening to what we want, and the NBN in it’s current format is what people want!
The amount of half truths and inaccuracies that you are releasing as “facts” is alarming. What happened to your calls for politicians to be more truthful?
FTTH is the only option for now and the future. Find a way to convince your party colleagues that this is indeed what’s needed rather than this idiotic bi-partisan opposition to the NBN!
Malcolm, you say “The Coalition is totally committed to ensuring that all Australians have access to very fast broadband.”
As *ALWAYS* you neglect to mention the poor upload speeds possible with your preferred fibre to the node model. And as an intelligent man you must surely understand the logic that the benefits of broadband into the future will be unlocked with “very fast broadband” in both directions, not just the download direction. It then becomes a broadband communication medium, rather than a download network.
“However because we will take a more businesslike approach to the project”
In other words, you will take the low-cost, no-vision, path-of-least-resistance, cherry-pick-metro-areas route.
Hi Malcolm,
I keep asking, but you keep ignoring…
Professor Rod Tucker states that an additional 2 or 3 power stations will be required for Fibre To The Node.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKjo0e8V3k&feature=player_embedded
I’d like you to consider the environmental consequences of your policy and explain why you think it’s justified. Thanks.
Here in Katherine, NT they are installing satellite systems on premises in the town where ADSL2 and wireless is available. This is happening every where I have been told. Just to boost the numbers if any one applies I suppose.
btw, New Zealand don’t have full FTTN rollout, they have partial rollout, they moved to FTTP because they heard Australia was doing it.
Smart hey?
Much of Katherine is getting FTTH, not satellite. Also, are you sure this is NBN Co installing satellite dishes wherever you that? The current interim satellite service has limited capacity as well.
Mr Turnbull,
You have quantified good points about the rollout.
With the NBN there is no compelling reason for Govt on behalf of taxpayers to take on so much risk to appease a few tech enthusiasts. The takeup has been abysmal that leads to the conclusion that a large percentage of the population does not require 100 MBps.
The biggest impediment to broadband is pricing not speed and the NBN will raise prices to pay back the large amount of outlays.
FTTN will be sufficient for the population. NZ already has FTTN and those on it are not moving to FTTH which leads to the conclusion FTTH is only for geeks.
raoulrules, just because you get constantly wrong on whirlpool forums – doesn’t mean your right here.
Remember: two wrongs don’t make a right.
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RR, just because you use adjectives like ‘abysmal’ doesn’t make it true.
Take up has been higher than forecast, illustrated by MT’s own blog from last year.
http://www.malcolmturnbull.com.au/blogs/malcolms-blog/conroys-take-up-hash-up/
NZ doesn’t have mandatory switch over (yet), and therefore, is not an apple and apple comparison.
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What a load of rubbish, Raoul.
NBN retail pricing is already cheaper than ADSL, despite the better performance. Pennytel are offering unlimited NBN plans for as little as $36 per month, considerably cheaper than even TPG or DoDo’s ADSL2 unlimited plans.
Takeup of 100Mbps NBN plans is running at almost 50%. And it’s this 50% that makes the 12 and 25Mbps NBN plans cheaper than ADSL.
Under the Coalition’s policy though, that subsidy won’t exist, because 100Mbps won’t exist. That means the 12 and 25Mbps services will have to pay their own way instead of being cross-subsidised as they are under the current NBN.
Unless a taxpayer-funded on-budget subsidy is introduced, it’s all but impossible for Turnbull’s FTTN plan to enable cheaper retail pricing than the NBN.
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Raoulloses
I do have a comment awaiting moderation.
However feel free to check out Delimiter
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/01/29/slow-progress-nbn-co-releases-dec-2012-stats/
In fact considering all the factors I have raised in my comment awaiting moderation they are doing quite well.
Pity a childish dummy spit by our would be rulers had led us to this
Raolrules – you’re deliberate inaccuracies are tiring.
FTTN was a massive failure in NZ with speeds on average no greater than 10Mbps. FTTH is a costly upgrade, so much so that people don’t use it because it’s outrageously expensive.
This is what the Coalition will do with Australia, upgrades from FTTN to FTTH will be borne by the user if Telstra even make it possible.
The biggest impediment to broadband is the ageing copper and HFC networks, not pricing.
raolrules, stop spinning crap on here like you do on Whirlpool mate! You do NOT know what a ‘large percentage’ of the population wants! Oh and as for New Zealand? Do your homework mate. They are upgrading to FTTP.
Malcolm, you should ALSO stop spinning so much crap! You ARE aware how long it took to build the initial CAN?
Oh and you sprouting off about FTTN, you never seem to mention the cock up that occurred in New Zealand and the fact they are going to FTTP.
NBN is the way to go, especially with the state of the copper network. You know what the funny thing is? ADSL services, phone lines, etc were down in Central and North Queensland today. Guess what was still working? Thats right! The NBN!
Rolling out the NBN may well take somewhat longer than originally predicted but at least it is being done properly, a FTTH network that will serve us well for many decades. The Coalition’s plan is for a mishmash of technologies, mainly FTTN, which will only have a short shelf life before they, once again, need to be upgraded to FTTH at great cost to the taxpayer. By doing so, the Coalition will also break the financial model, which sees the NBN as an off-budget investment projected to return 7% to the nation.
Malcolm, you are an intelligent person. I refuse to believe that you cannot see that FTTH is the only way to go for our country. I believe that your opposition to the NBN is politically motivated. Where is your integrity?
I must be missing something because I really can’t work out what the actual numbers are for the “important targets” from this rant. Can’t see the press release for this either on NBNCo’s site or anywhere else. Exactly how many are connected and how many are passed for you to make these statements?
Secondly, to me it seems a bit hypocritical of you to be complaining about a lack of transparency on the NBN while you continue to use this language. How much sooner is soon, how much cheaper is cheap and how fast is “very fast”? If the coalition alternative is so great why aren’t you shouting these figures from the rooftops? Seems to me your aim is to palm off the upgrade to future generations, it’s a false economy you’re peddling.
You obviously getting confused with ready for service vs construction commenced.
Don’t be fooled by Malcolm attempt at FUD.
And btw, considering you failed in your economics of the NBN (see here: http://delimiter.com.au/2013/01/25/turnbull-loose-with-facts-on-nbn-finances/)
Don’t be fooled again voters of the Coalition Party by his lack to get numbers and information correct by doing what media does by lying.
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Hey Malcolm, you have support from raoulrules. You should be so proud!
Moving on, You have yet to outline:
What your minimum guaranteed speed is
Who will get what speeds
What the maximum speed will be
When upgrades will take place
How much it will cost the end user
How much money will be on budget (subsidy)
How you can cheaply improve contention on HFC
How you can convice Telstra and Optus to upgrade HFC
Where the nodes will be located
How exactly you can install them cheaper
Whether you will follow Telstra’s old plan
How you will avoid a new monopoly
How you will avoid ‘mini monopolies’
How you will deal with speeds being divided by 2.9 users per household
What you will do if the copper fails in certain areas
How you will pay for the sat and wireless areas if you change NBNco’s business case
And many more.
However the main one is, Why isn’t the Liberal party and coalition ‘unified’ on broadband policy? And why does your comments often contradict the stance of the party?
We would all love to know.
All we really know is ‘Cheap’ and ‘Fast’.
And we’ve all learnt that lesson:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81769364@N03/7859729182/in/pool-2036695@N24
And from all the information around, all we can ascertain is that to deliver (what you deem to be) ‘it’ cheaper, you will have to deliver ‘less’.
And the rules of project management clearly illustrate that if you wish to deliver something faster, ‘it’ often cost alot more. And isn’t by any means ‘cheaper’.
I, and a fair chunk of the country, would love to know exactly how the coalition are going to sort out this ‘oxymoron’ that is ‘cheap and fast’.
I await your response.
Sincerely and in good faith.
Anthony Wasiukiewicz
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4K TV will require approximately 100Mbps to stream. 8K TV is being tested in Japan at 500Mbps. Malcolm, can you please explain how your “approximately 80Mbps” solution will support these technologies, that are already coming?
Your plan will prevent Australia from adopting these new formats. If your FTTN goes in, it will be on YOUR head that we won’t be able to implement them in Australia.
@ Michael
Building FTTH so someone can watch 4K TV has no productivity benefits and it will create a nation of couch potatoes.
Cough, cough, raoulrules you are simply missing the god damb point. It is not just an internet connection, it is a communications strategy (I like to see it as NCN (National Communications Network) for the whole country). It is not just broadband.
You trying to tell us that you, or your kids, do not play games, would like like to watch streaming movies (cheaper and greener than using petrol to go to the video shop), go on the internet, have a medical consultation (posibly through a future 4Ktv but any will do) etc,etc.
Wake up, this is for the benefit of the WHOLE country, not just those capitalist’s that can afford the current higher speed networks.
Malcolm, time to come out of the closet and dump your party line. GET BIPARTISAN ON THIS!!!! It is in your countries best interest.
Being so interested in the countries finances, how can you not see that the end result, 7% ROI, is not a fantastic way to get this out to the greater community.
With H.265, it seems unlikely that we will see those bitrates, but probably will see roughly half of those bitrates. On the NBN, service providers still have an incentive to multicast fewer Mbps. However, it seems unlikely that FTTN will be good enough for 4k TV while leaving room for other applications without upping the compression lots. And that ignores, for example, future things like 4k video being uploaded for healthcare reasons. That is, with any semblance of good quality, pretty much pointless to try and roll out on a large scale via FTTN. Such an application may be 10 years away though, but has great value.
@RR
If 4k was going to make Aus couch potatoes, good old analog TV would have done the same.
Nice spin work!!! M$^@n
So, Malcolm – you are still on “Nobody needs the NBN!” as the mission given to you by Abbott. Destroy the NBN!!!
You have no idea of the damage you are doing to yourself politically.
In other words, you will take the low-cost, no-vision, path-of-least-resistance, cherry-pick-metro-areas route.
The regional areas have NBN – I have NBN in my house now, and I bet your business buddies want it. Business, the wannabe s who vote for you? Or the Big business who bankroll you? Which one are you going to be loyal to?
You keep making all these claims about your “alternative” NBN, but always fail to either make definite commitments, nor provide any details.
For example:
Will you guarantee that like-for-like retail prices will be cheaper under your policy. ie: Will a 25Mbps service be cheaper under your policy than a 25Mbps service on the NBN?
The fact is Malcolm, that FTTN is an obsolete technology that will cost us billions in lost productivity and inevitable future upgrades.
http://www.australianimages.com.au/opinion/nbn-fttn.php
NBNmyths, I think the real 2025 question out there will be – can the local tiny grocery shop upload surveillance footage from 10 HD cameras around the store in realtime using H.265 compression at less than $100 a month? FTTN, no. FTTH, yes.
I think the question should be why would the tiny grocery store want to do this?
Read your local papers crime reports.
I live abutting a Natural reserve with dense thickets, trees and a creek. A haunt for undesireables, even have transitory tents on the creek banks and matresses under the bridges.
Had several attempting to scale the 2 Metre back fence .
My HD Video surveillance (8 external cams) upload at low res to remote site, record at D1 (H264) – unfortunately the compression severely degrades the definition and needed dynamic range.
The reserve is quieter since the cams were installed and those infrared lights happily glow red at night
Thanks Malcolm for shedding the light on this incompetent government and its farcical NBN Co’s attempts to manipulate statistics to give the impression they are “on track”. With every iteration of mind blowing mismanagement’s business plan the cost increase and completion targets miss by miles. It’s amusing to read the trolls still ranting on about FTTN and FTTH when NBN Co. is making such a pigs ear of installing it.
Think you should do your homework Sunny. Obviously Malcolm hasn’t..
Now that I’ve seen the actual numbers I thought I’d actualy fit a curve to their plan and see how close it is. So at the end of 2012 according to my estimate from their plan it should have been ~12k connected and ~100k passed with fibre. They were at 10.4k connected and 72.4k passed.
The interesting thing though is that if my guestimate of where they should currently be is right then people are wanting this more than they predicted. Contrary to your rant takeup is higher than their plan expected across fibre.
I still think it’s rather interesting that you have constantly said these numbers were what is important but omitted them here. Better to spin when, as you said on twitter, the “truth hurts”.
Fibre to node won,t do me much good as the copper in my street and to my house is no good with the telephone unuseable at certain times. Telstra have refused to do anything about it for 5 years as I have no emergency situation need.
nice one John Howard for selling Telstra Wholesale so you could hand out some middle class welfare.
Sydney Morning Herald, Jan 29th:
“NBN Co will need to improve dramatically the speed at which it rolls out its fibre-optic network to meet the connection targets it set only last year. Only 72,400 premises had been passed by the end of December after 18 months of fibre roll-out, according to figures it released on Monday. This means that, to meet its own targets, NBN Co needs to pass another 268,000 premises in the next five months.”
Using very crude maths, that equates to a current roll-out rate of 48,266 residences per year. Considering that the Bureau of Statistics shows that Australia currently has about 8.5 million residences, it will take NBN 176 years to delivery the fibre to every house.
Sunny,
You’re assuming that the rollout rate has not increased, and will not continue to do so.
This is an incorrect assumption. The NBN is still in a ramping phase, as clearly indicated in their corporate plan.
You cannot go from nothing to 6,000 connections per day overnight. You need to employ and train a workforce, purchase and deploy equipment etc. The NBN only started ramping up towards the end of last year, and are not planning to be at full speed for another year or so.
@nbnmyths
Ahhh, the rollout rate will increase. Of course, I didn’t realise that. Luckily the population base will stay static, eh?
“not planning to be at full speed for another year or so”. STAND BACK, look out. A Labor initiative is going to be going at full speed.
May , 2011, Sydney Morning Herald:
“…. NBN Co plans to have connected 1.7 million premises by June 2013.”
Boy, they’ll need to be going at full speed and then some to get those other 1,627,600 done in the next 5 months!
Sunny,
Oh, sorry. I see that your argument is entirely political, and based on assorted logical fallacies.
Your first statistic is based on an out-of-date article from 2011, which is based on the 2010 corporate plan. As acknowledged by everyone, including NBN Co, the rollout targets have been reduced following the 9-month delays in completing the Telstra agreement. To have ramped up prior to the Telstra agreement would have added cost to the project as NBN Co would have had to install their own trenches etc. I’m sure you’re impressed that they took the prudent financial position rather than waste money duplicating existing infrastructure?
The 2012 NBN Corporate plan contains the new figures, which the rollout is currently on target to meet. They plan to pass 290,000 premises by June 2013, and considering they currently have 784,000 premises with construction underway, there’s no reason to believe this won’t be met.
Your next major error is to deduce the current rollout rate by averaging the rollout rate over the entire period since the trial began, which is utterly ridiculous, particularly considering that the fibre construction contracts weren’t even signed until June-October 2012.
The fibre rollout rate for the current 12 month period from 9/2012 is about 2,100 premises passed per day (based on there being 784,000 premises underway, and a 12-month construction timeframe for those premises).
Any other demonstrably false information I can correct for you?
NbnMyths,
Statistics are based on historical facts. If you choose to omit factual events or numerical data simply because you disagree with it, then you will always be able to come up with an result that favours a specific point of view.
The number of residences they said they would cover was a fact. The number they have covered is a fact. The time taken to do said coverage is a fact. All I did was do the math on the facts available.
It doesn’t matter what you or the NBN did / said after the event to justify / explain / placate etc, the numbers stay the same.
@nbnmyths
“You cannot go from nothing to 6,000 connections per day overnight. You need to employ and train a workforce, purchase and deploy equipment etc”
Given that the rollout rate has been approx 132 premises per day, to achieve a rate of 6,000 per day you’d need a 4,540% increase in capability.
A 4,540% increase in “…a year or so”? Now, THAT’S going to be a staggering achievement.
As dealt with in my previous post, the current rollout rate is about 2100 premises per day, so the required increase to full capacity is closer to 300% than your claim of 4540%. A small discrepancy I know, but worth correcting I think……
What do Worldwide IT and Communication authorities say about Australia’s NBN?
http://bit.ly/NBNexperts
Not forgetting it takes approx 12 Months after a FSAM is commenced to being ready for service, so these figures represent work commenced 12 Months ago, well before the ramp up. Also limited by backhaul and transits which have been rapidly provisioned.
Look at the number of FSAMS now commenced, well ahead of schedule so their predictions very achieveable.
The major limitation is actually Telstra’s pit and duct remediation, they only signed up another contract for some of that recently to add to the now approx total of $300+Mill contract for that let recently. Can’t run the fibre until that happens.
Abel,
Now you’re doing. Stop making excuses for NBN, they had a business plan and made promises.
In the company I work for, when we tell our clients we are going to deliver a network of size X in time Y at price Z, it’s called an obligation. We have to honour that obligation, irrespective of unexpected difficulties we face or the financial impact to us. We’re supposed to be professional, do risk analysis, plan ahead, have contingency plans; not fail to deliver and just say ‘It’s not our fault’.
If you put your car in for a service and they said it would take 1 day yet when you went to pick it they said “Sorry, it’s going to take 10 days” then, when you came back after 10 days they said “Sorry, it’s going to take 100 days”, what would you say to them? “Oh, that’s OK, I understand it’s outside your control. You take as long as you need”? Or wold you say “That’s ridiculous. I’ll take my car somewhere else. You obviously don’t know what you’re doing.”?
You, the consumer, don’t care what their reasons / problems were. You only care about getting the service / product. You know what was promised and what was delivered. If the two don’t match, you’re not getting what was advertised.
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Ahh Sunny, you poor little vegemite
You and your heroes have absolute faith in the wondrous private enterprise and competition, guess what costs have to be cut, maintenance cut , Telstra made the teams that checked/maintained Pits, ducts and conduits redundant in the mid 90’s.
Now their underground assetts are in a parlous state and they have to remediate them as part of their contract with the NBN, it is a growing unfolding disaster. As Malcolm would have obviously researched the state of the pits and ducts (over $500Mill of Telstra remediation contracts so far with more to come)
Sure the NBN knew the copper network was in a parlous state but the unbelievable disaster they could only have known if Telstra had been honest and upfront (keep the shareholders and the market happy ).
And Malcolm states quicker, cheaper, better. Not a hope, they would have egg on their face as they would be using the last mile of copper as well, rightfully would be called liars and B.S artists for making all those promises that would have sucked the voters in .
Get your facts straight.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/01/telstra-remediation-work-delaying-nbn/#comment-572892
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Sunny.
Just a clue I commenced my career in transmission and networks in the mid 60’s, so maybe I know a little about National networks.
That Monopoly Cable TV Network the coalition and News Ltd are so besotted in, do some research. Only servicing at best 30% of premises passed due to contention, no MDU’s, No Business Premises or business services or offices. pathetic upload (once again contention plus design – designed for cable TV ). Total cost of HFC install was approx $10Bill I believe at the time. To upgrade would require at least 4xNodes + 4x fibres +4xBackhaul and infrastructure. At least equalling the initial install cost and even then would be struggling for 100% coverage including MDU’s and Business.
The FTTN cost may well due to state of the network end up costing as much if not more than FTTP and be no quicker. Then add on the cost of HFC upgrade.
The FTTP component of the NBN is approx $12Billion, so cheaper and quicker? – was that you Pinnochio?
The accolades for the NBN continue to mount. This time, it’s Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web.
Sir Tim says: “The national broadband network is a wonderful commitment to getting everyone connected,”…. “It’s a brilliant foundation – it will be a foundation for many things.”
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/nbn-rollout-continues-to-ramp-up/story-e6frfku9-1226563848075#ixzz2JLWQagMj
The Coalition’s stubborn commitment to scale back to obsolete FTTN looks more stupid every day.
+10
But these are the geniuses that reversed Keatings in progress separation of Telstra and did nothing about essential infrastructure for 10 years.
In fact they believed wireless would do the trick and that we wouldn’t need more than 6Mb download and hadn’t even comprehended the need for upload until it was pummeled into them.
Remember they even called Labors FTTN plan which is comparable to their own FRAUDBAND yet now have the Gall to represent it as their own and claim it is superior without addressing the original issues with it
Considering the weather extremes we have been experiencing and how they are becoming more common and even more extreme validating the GW propositions of decades ago, the monsoonal aspect increasing and spreading further South, how will that impact on the costs and reliability of your active powered FTTN cabinets??
[...] FSAMs are ready to switch on to the network before counting them as having been ‘passed’,” Turnbull said in a media release issued on Monday, effectively alleging that NBN Co’s figure of having passed an additional 20,386 fibre premises [...]
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January 30, 2013 at 8:19 am
A couple of relevant factors re the NBN report.”
Still waiting
Ask why there are Black Spots and Rim Hells
Black spots — Provisioned before faxes even
Rim Hells — Provisioned allowing for dial up internet (28Kb in most cases )
In both cases planned on the basis of current at the time perceived need , exactly like the coalitions FTTN – building the Rim Hells of the future
Comment still in moderation I note.
However something Malcolm would have to be fully aware of if he has done any preliminary investigation of what will be involved in his fantasy cheaper faster FTTN solution, yet fails to mention in relation to his rants.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/01/telstra-remediation-work-delaying-nbn/#comment-572892
Poor form Malcolm, you and your compatriots truly are a disappointment
Good thing this is posted elsewhere, and that we can take a copy off this site icluding the fact that it is in moderation, including a OneNote snapshot.
Regards Abel
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/02/01/telstra-remediation-work-delaying-nbn/
Abel,
Any post with more than 1 link in it will be automatically moderated, and it (in my experience) will never be published. Keep each post to 1 link and they will publish automatically.