Conroy’s Digital Economy Con

1. Wireless, your option, will be MORE expensive than FTTH to the consumer.
2. An incomplete and disingenuous response. Try harder
3. True, but using those figures, dial-up would suffice. Are you advocating dial-up?
4. You will be hard pressed getting 10Mbps on many wireless connections. And you know that. I am 4oo metres from a Telstra Next G tower and best I can get is 5Mbps.
5. And how much do these institutions pay for these connections?
6.So, let me understand your logic on this point… No-one has ever tried it so therefore it can’t be done? What a Luddite.
7. Difficult to imagine? Imagine a bit more Malcolm.. I’m sure there are and there will be future interactions that require quick movement of large data files. Hi Res photos’ aerial surveys etc are just ONE that I could imagine.
8. Are you advocating OPEL again? Shall we revisit all the limitations of that?

Dear Mr Malcolm Turnbull

after reading most of your arguments with the NBN. Is this cause being lost. because I totally agree with you that this NBN is going the same way as telstra, and Qantas once before, no competition and higher prices. My broadband as we speak is fast. I don’t need to it run any quicker because it does nothing to my life or living.
I find it amusing that Convoy can talk about the future when we have no idea how pricing will be done. It may cost $50 now but if it drags on what is it not to say it may go up according to the pricing in the future, wages or employee’s, equipment prices, they may increase thus building cost may go up. Maybe the Mining boom dies done and the government will have to borrow more money from the banks. It’s a huge risk when as you say we already have most of all the ground work so why rip them out to lay new ones that may not do any different to the copper we are using now. Who is to say Japan or Korea won’t come up with a better technology in the future that might use satellites or some new wire system, or even mobile phones as a connection point. I’m not an expert in these areas but as history shows technology never sits still. it always upgrades as you know. The more I listen to Convoy the more you can see he has no clue and is just following the Labor parties ideas without any knowledge. He is trying to sell something like a car sales person, wants you to buy this most expensive car so he gets a higher commission for the sale. Its not like he is saying the pro’s and cons it’s like his telling me I should have this as if I am a dodo. Very poor attitude, very arrogant of him to think Australians are ignorant. They are just doing this so they can say in the future we built this network. it’s all for self promotion. Another tax really because we will be taxed to cover the cost of this network. This is my view. I do hope you can stop or at least minimizes the damage it can have on our economy, because even if we go above surplus we Australia is always debt. We have been borrowing money from the 60’s like every other country. You can never go above debt. but that doesn’t mean we should spend stupidly like this labor government is doing at present. Please keep up the great work. catch them out when you can, make them look silly when they put out these types of ideas
regards

Alexander Bretti

I work in an organisation that for the past 10 years has just been patching its network to try and meet demand. Slowly tweaking and adding things to try and improve capacity.

We’re finally having to do a complete overhaul, and we’re spending more now to replace all the ‘patch-work’ than we would have had it been done right.

My point being, if we’re going to spend money on it now.. let’s just do it properly. Perhaps considering what we’re used to now FTTH is a bit excessive, but I don’t want to have to revisit this in the future because we’ve done a semi-upgrade.

Malcolm, I’m not a Liberal supporter, but I really do hope you consider the leadership again one day. I think you did well before and would do again. Much more so than the current uninspiring and directionless leadership.

Malcolm, you’re an intelligent man, but how can you think that wireless is the future. Come to Bomaderry and try using the net. This wireless is sh!t. It should be mandatory for all comments on Broadband and the NBN to declare whether they have access to ADSL. I’ll guarantee there wont be too many people forced to use wireless that bag the NBN.

Many spin mongers like Spinister Conroy like to “simplify” the debate by saying the Coalition are anti NBN and therefore don’t want Australia to have fast broadband. This is a clever and easy way to attack their more rational and financially responsible plans but it is clearly wrong.
Reading this article made me realize how much our current telecommunications infrastructure is achieving at reasonable cost due to the various competitors all trying to deliver value – as the article points out – that cost limiting driver dissappears once we create a government run monopolized monster.
The Coalition want to see high speed broadband but deliver it in a way that doesn’t saddle our kids and grandkids with unmentionable debt.
The argument for the benefits of high speed broadband are basically arguments against the Fiber to the Home (FTTH) approach of the current NBN in the short and medium term – it is simply going to take far too long for some people to get this technology (2020) because it is very labour intensive and very expensive – not so much the equipment but the labour involved in digging up roads, front yards, running new cables through people’s roofs etc.,
Australia has already falling behind in average internet speeds in households so we need something that’s quick to rollout and that means something that can use as much of the existing infrastructure as possible. FTTH is NOT such a solution. If the benefits of high speed broadband are as important as everyone is suggesting then we need something that will help people with dial up speeds or poor ADSL speeds NOW! Running fiber to neighbourhood nodes and then using existing coppers, already laid in the ground and paid for is called Fiber to the Node. It is a fraction of the cost of FTTH and is successfully rolled out in many countries including Germany (& many other European countries), NZ, USA which all have much greater average speeds than Australia. The fiber that is rolled out to nodes in an FTTN deployment can be reused for a later upgrade to FTTH when and if we need 100Mbps or higher.
Depending on your distance from the neighbourhood node and the number of existing copper pairs that run from your house to the node you could get speeds of between up to 50-100Mhz with the latest VDSL2 technologies.
FTTH rollouts are faltering in many countries because of the global economic downturn and it’s poor ROI. Some of the governments stupid enough to push forward with such financially irrational FTTH rollouts include Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland. It’s the technology of choice for governments who are addicted to excessive debt. Let’s hope the NBN is re-evaluated and implemented using a more rational approach by whoever is in power.

Thanks Mr Turnbull (and Mr Conroy, you’re obviously Stephen for this debate thus far.

Here’s to keeping it all 100% constructive please.

Mr Turnbull raises some real interesting and valid points. But one area I can’t leave alone is Goal 3 re: the services delivery bandwidth. We are currently looking at content delivery right now from the ISP for TV services. Right now, quality is low, and could really do with a boost.

HD video streams at higher bandwidths than ADSL 2 is capable of right now; wireless CERTAINLY couldn’t cope with them. I know because I work with video conference specialists for my employment.

As time goes on, these services will only increase. We have always seen that when users bandwidth has increased, so has users’ internet usage. Plus with all the smart devices being installed in homes (talking waaay past Smart Meters here), there will be things like software upgrades, service delivery, file transfers, etc.

As others have discussed, we need to future proof, and this future is much closer than many of us think (who’s got an internet fridge from LG yet, for example?)

Finally, Mr Turnbull, PLEASE usurp Abbott’s position, he is ruining the country and embarrassing Australian politics.