Speech in the House: Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme
Speech to the House of Representatives
Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme Bills 2010
8 February 2010
TURNBULL (Wentworth) (12.46 pm)—I rise to speak on the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme Bill 2010 and related legislation. All of us here are accountable not just to our constituents but also to the generations that will come after them and after us. It is our job as members of parliament to legislate with an eye to the long-term future, to look over the horizon beyond the next election and ensure that, as far as we can, what we do today will make Australia a better place, a safer place for future generations to live in. Climate change is the ultimate long-term problem. We have to make decisions today, bear costs today so that adverse consequences are avoided, dangerous consequences are avoided many decades into the future. It is always easy to argue we should do nothing, or little or postpone action. But we are already experiencing the symptoms of climate change, especially here in Australia with a hotter and drier climate in the southern part of our nation. The rush to construct desalination plants is just one expensive testament to that.
Climate change is a global problem. The planet is warming because of the growing level of greenhouse gas emissions from human activity. If this trend continues then truly catastrophic consequences will ensue, from rising sea levels to reduced water availability to more heatwaves and fires. In December, just a few weeks ago, we had confirmation from three leading scientific organisations—the UK Met Office and, in the United States, NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration—that the past decade, the years from 2000 to 2009, was the hottest since record-keeping began, even hotter than the decade before which was the second hottest decade on record and the decade before that which was the third hottest on record.
Climate change policy has to recognise these real risks, these real threats to the safety of our planet. It is an exercise in risk management and no reasonable person could regard the risk as being so low that no action was warranted. That has been the view of political leaders for many years from both sides of politics, none more eloquently than Margaret Thatcher herself. Prudence demands that we act to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions and do so in a way that is consistent with and promotes global action to do the same. Right now both sides of politics are agreed that Australia should, regardless of whether any international agreement is reached, reduce our emissions by 2020 so that they equal a five per cent cut from 2000 levels. This is a 21 per cent cut from the 2020 business-as-usual levels. Both sides of politics agree that, depending on the nature of the international agreement reached, greater cuts of 15 or 25 per cent should be made.
It is not enough to say that you support these cuts, you must also deliver a strong, credible policy framework that will deliver them. In line with the Copenhagen Accord, the nations of the world are making commitments to reduce their emissions and those commitments will form the basis of the negotiations that will continue at Mexico City this year. Australia should be taking action now in advance of and in order to promote a global agreement. While our emissions are only a small share of the global total, we are in per capita terms one of the highest emitters. How can we credibly expect China, with per capita emissions less than a quarter of ours, or India, with per capita emissions less than one-tenth of ours, to take our call for global action seriously if we, a wealthy developed nation, are not prepared to act ourselves?
This transition from a high-emission economy to a low-emission one cannot be achieved without major changes to the way we generate and use energy and in the way we manage our landscape. This requires substantial new investment especially in electricity generation, which has increased by 45 per cent since 1990 and represents now a little more than half of our total emissions. Decisions to build new power stations and replace old ones will involve tens of billions of dollars over the next few decades and a critical element in making those decisions is being able to form a view about the direction of carbon pricing. Given that the cheapest fuels are generally the dirtiest, in the absence of a clear carbon price signal new capacity is likely to be coal rather than gas or rather than renewables.
This need for leadership and direction from government on the pricing of carbon, on the level of emissions, was one that was apparent to the previous government. That is why in 2006 Prime Minister John Howard established the emissions trading task group headed by Dr Peter Shergold, the Secretary of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet. The task group also included leaders from the industries most directly affected, such as transport, aluminium, mining, agriculture and power generation. In 2007 the Howard government adopted the Shergold task group’s recommendation to establish an emissions trading scheme in advance of and in order to promote a global agreement, and we began to introduce the necessary legislation. As the Shergold report observed:
An Australian emissions trading scheme, with a carbon price set by the market, would improve business investment certainty. This is particularly the case for projects with a high degree of carbon risk. There is growing evidence that investments are being deferred due to uncertainty about the future cost of addressing climate change. Without a clear signal on future carbon costs, these investments will not be optimised. There is a risk that a higher carbon profile will be locked in for the life of the capital stock.
Plainly stated, in the absence of a clear carbon price signal, either no new investments will be made or investments will be made in new carbon intensive infrastructure because they are more profitable in a world where there is no price on carbon emissions.
An ETS works by setting a limit, or a cap, on the amount of carbon dioxide and its equivalents which the total covered industry sectors can emit. These industries are required to acquire permits to emit CO2 within that overall cap. Note: the government does not set the price of carbon; it sets the cap on emissions and the rules of the scheme, and then it is up to the market, the laws of supply and demand, to set the price. It does not give quotas to particular industries or firms. The cap is across the economy and is set at a level of emissions which will over the relevant period enable us to meet our target. These permits can be purchased from the government or from other permit holders, or can be offset by purchasing a carbon credit from someone, like a farmer, who is taking action which reduces atmospheric carbon.
Only a small number of businesses—around a thousand big emitters—will have to buy permits. The direct impact of the ETS, therefore, for almost all Australians is via increased energy prices. The New South Wales Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal, IPART, estimates that in 2013, for example, the cost of the CPRS will comprise 15 per cent of a typical electricity bill in New South Wales. It is estimated by the Treasury overall that the CPRS will add about 19 per cent to electricity prices.
The scheme will raise a substantial amount of revenue over the period to 2020, but it is not designed—nor should it be—to raise additional net revenue for the government, as taxes do, since the funds raised by the sale of permits will be returned to compensate lower income households and assist businesses, especially those which are emissions intensive and trade exposed and cannot readily pass on the increase in energy costs. The white paper estimates the CPRS will result in a one-off increase in the CPI of 1.1 per cent, compared to the 2.8 per cent one-off increase in the CPI caused by the introduction of the GST. Most households will be compensated for this increase in costs either in whole or in part. I should note that the largest component of increases in electricity prices in New South Wales, for example, over the next five years is in fact additional network charges to recognise the increased investment in the security and reliability of electricity infrastructure. Those increases, unlike the CPRS element, are not the subject of any compensation.
But, given we have an apparent bipartisan agreement that emissions should be reduced by five per cent of 2000 levels by 2020, is an emissions trading scheme, this CPRS, at a general level the best policy to achieve the desired outcome? Believing as I do, as a Liberal, that market forces deliver the lowest cost and most effective solution to economic challenges, the answer must be yes. Because more emissions-intensive industries and generators need to buy more permits than less intensive ones, lower emission activities, whether they are cleaner fuels or energy efficient buildings, are made more competitive. A brown coal fired power station, for example, pumps out four times as much CO2 as an efficient gas fired one. Gas is expensive and clean; brown coal is cheap and dirty. If there is no cost charged for emitting carbon, there is simply no incentive to move to the cleaner fuel.
Until 1 December last year, there was a bipartisan commitment in Australia that this carbon price, this exercise in reducing emissions, should be imposed by means of a market based mechanism—this emissions trading scheme. At their core, therefore, these bills are as much the work of John Howard as of Kevin Rudd. The policy I am supporting here today as an opposition backbencher is the same policy I supported as John Howard’s environment minister. And why did we in the Howard government believe an emissions trading scheme was the best approach? It was because we as Liberals believed in the superior efficiency of the free market to set a price on carbon. As the Shergold report observes:
Market-based approaches have the potential to deliver least-cost abatement by providing incentives for firms to reduce emissions where this is cheapest, while allowing the continuation of emissions where they are most costly to reduce.
The Rudd government’s approach has broadly embodied the same principles, although there were problems and flaws with its initial design. But extensive modifications were made in May 2009 and again in November 2009, when changes were agreed between the government and the opposition following the negotiations between Senator Wong and the member for Groom and me.
These changes have made it into a scheme that appropriately balances environmental effectiveness and economic responsibility. In fact, the proposed scheme very closely resembles the outline of the Howard government’s original 2007 proposal, in both its incidence and its timing. As we have seen in recent days, alternatives such as direct regulation or subsidies will be far more costly to the economy, no matter how hard their designers seek to argue the contrary. I quote again from the Shergold report on this topic:
An alternative to regulating emissions abatement is subsidising abatement activities from government budgets. For example, government could target specific projects, requiring estimation by government of additional abatement relative to ‘business as usual’. However, if not carefully implemented, project-specific approaches can involve administrative overheads for both government and project proponents.
Under a market based mechanism, like an ETS, if a firm reduces its emissions intensity by acquiring more efficient equipment or, for example, by generating power from burning gas rather than coal, it will need to buy fewer permits per dollar of output. There is a clear, transparent and immediate incentive—a clear price signal— encouraging investment in lower emissions technology. However, if a scheme operates whereby the government pays the firm to reduce its emissions intensity, leaving aside the impact on the budget and the demand therefore for higher taxes, there is firstly going to be a substantial and contentious debate about what the correct baseline is, and then whether it will actually be reduced. Because most capital equipment, especially in the energy sector, has lives running into many decades, as long as 50 years in some cases, the business sector is going to require assurance that any government subsidy will match the life of the asset—so running well beyond 2020. In other words, any scheme has to have a lifetime which matches the lifetime of the investment. If government wants business to make long-term investments to lower emissions, its commitment must be long term as well, which is why a subsidy scheme which terminates in 2020 will achieve very little. Arguments of considerable ferocity will arise as to whether a new piece of equipment would have been bought anyway, with the risk that the government ends up funnelling billions of dollars to companies to subsidise their profit without achieving any real additional cuts in emissions.
All of us in this House know that industries and businesses, attended by an army of lobbyists, are particularly persuasive and all too effective at getting their sticky fingers into the taxpayers’ pocket. Having the government pick projects for subsidy is a recipe for fiscal recklessness on a grand scale, and there will always be a temptation for projects to be selected for their political appeal. In short, having the government pay for emissions abatement, as opposed to the polluting industries themselves, is a slippery slope which can only result in higher taxes and more costly and less effective abatement of emissions. I say this as a member and former leader of a political party whose core values are a commitment to free markets and free enterprise. The Shergold report went on to say this about this very issue:
Financing subsidies and specific project-based interventions also impose costs on society from their use of taxation. If these approaches were to be used extensively to achieve large-scale abatement, the economy would suffer losses in economic and administrative efficiency. In contrast, market-based approaches to emissions abatement involve the explicit pricing of emissions, allowing the market to determine the cheapest source of emissions reduction.
As the Productivity Commission observed in its submission to the Garnaut review in 2008:
Unlike prescriptive command and control approaches, an ETS leaves it to producers and consumers—who have better information about their own production costs and preferences than governments—to work out the most cost-effective way to reduce emissions. In this way, the targets are most likely to be achieved at lowest cost to the economy and community.
Before I leave the question of non-market based approaches to emissions reduction, I should note that I was very pleased to see the recognition of soil carbon, carbon forestry and biochar in the coalition’s alternative policy. One of the key achievements of our negotiations with the government last year about the CPRS of course was to secure the recognition of this type of agricultural offset, the potential for which, as I have argued for some time, is very considerable. However, there are a couple of points I should make about soil carbon in particular.
While it is possible to increase the level of organic carbon in soils by changing the management of the land in question, it is quite another thing to ensure that this increased carbon level is permanently maintained. Soil carbon levels fluctuate with the season, with rainfall and of course depending on the use of the land. There is a great prize here, but before billions of dollars are invested in soil carbon credits there will be considerable work required to agree on appropriate measurement and management methodologies. If in fact there are hundreds of millions of tonnes of very low-cost agricultural offsets capable of generating carbon credits then they are all potentially available in the ETS—
Mr CLARE (Blaxland—Parliamentary Secretary for Employment) (1.05 pm)—I move:
That the member’s time be extended.
Question agreed to.
The DEPUTY SPEAKER (Ms AE Burke)—The member’s time will be extended for a period not exceeding 10 minutes.
Mr TURNBULL—I thank the parliamentary secretary for his courtesy. If in fact there are hundreds of millions of tonnes of very low cost agricultural offsets capable of generating carbon credits then they are all potentially available in this ETS, in the CPRS proposed here in this legislation, and they will lower the cost of permits. In other words, if polluters can buy carbon credits for $10 a tonne from farmers, permit prices will adjust down to that level. Of course, the great virtue of a market based scheme is that instead of the government decreeing what the best and cheapest offsets are, the participants in the market work it out for themselves. That is why, once agricultural offsets are recognised under the emissions trading scheme—and that is the plan with this legislation— there is enormous potential for farmers and other landowners to generate real revenue. However, it should be noted that until those offsets are recognised internationally, they will not be of assistance in meeting our five per cent 2020 target.
One of the leading Australian biochar advocates wrote to me the other day and said:
While I worked in Government for a significant part of my life I am horrified by the prospect of a ‘fund’ from which public servants give handouts to grow trees—it just does not work—we have to have a market price and a market system …
Is the ETS proposed in these bills the right design and is this the right time to act? The answer here, too, is yes. Most other large emitters have also committed to substantial quantitative reductions in their greenhouse gas emissions over the next decade. Many have already acted to achieve those targets. The European Union has had an ETS since 2005 and in phase 3 of its scheme is enforcing it with increasing stringency. In line with the Copenhagen accord, China has committed to a 45 per cent reduction in emissions per unit of output by 2020 and the Chinese are already investing massively in cleaner energy sources, both of which point to a ‘shadow’ price on carbon already in force across the Chinese economy.
I note that the Chinese commitment is to reduce emissions from their ‘business as usual’ rate. They recognise that business as usual is not good enough and that they must reduce their emissions intensity and then reduce the absolute level of emissions. Japan has pursued lower emissions and higher energy efficiency for three decades. Brazil has committed to lowering its emissions by more than a third as against its projected business-as-usual 2020 emissions. I note again that our commitment to reducing our emissions by five per cent from 2000 levels is equivalent to a 21 per cent reduction from our projected 2020 emissions without a CPRS.
While Copenhagen was disappointing, it did nonetheless for the first time see the developing nations—particularly the major ones, such as China and India—make commitments to reduce their emissions. That was an enormous breakthrough. There is a global commitment to act so as to keep temperature rises this century below two degrees Celsius. The notion that this ETS would put Australia out in front of the world is, sadly—I wish it were not so—completely wrong. Far from being in front of the world in action to reduce emissions, we start behind because our per capita emissions are so large and because our sources of energy are overwhelmingly dependent on burning coal. We should not forget that when the Howard government committed to an ETS in 2007 the world was much further away from concerted global action than it is today. Indeed, the Shergold report noted:
The prospects for comprehensive global action in the near future look poor.
But the Shergold report, in recommending an ETS, observed:
…waiting until a truly global response emerges before imposing an emissions cap will place costs on Australia by increasing business uncertainty and delaying or losing investment.
This legislation is the only policy on offer which can credibly enable us to meet our commitment to a five per cent cut to emissions by 2020 and it also has the flexibility to enable us to move to higher cuts when they are warranted. So for those reasons I support this bill. The arguments I have made for it are no different to those I have made, and stood for, for the last three years.
During my time as Leader of the Opposition I often defended the right of my colleagues from time to time to cross the floor and vote in accordance with their strongly held personal beliefs. This is a longstanding and treasured principle of the Liberal Party and very different to the tradition of the Labor Party. In that context, I commend the courage of my colleagues Senator Troeth and Senator Boyce who crossed the floor to support this bill and effective action on climate change late last year. The importance of this issue, the expectation that Australians have that their parliamentarians will lead on it, the fact that the emissions trading scheme being considered is nearly identical to the proposal put to the electorate by the Howard government in 2007 and my strong and longstanding personal commitment to effective action on climate change make it impossible for me to vote against this bill, amended in terms as agreed between the coalition and the government last year.
The proposed ETS is a balanced, substantive and timely step forward on an issue of immense importance. By relying so heavily on market forces to address this very severe challenging problem, the ETS is far more in the great traditions of modern liberalism than any other available policy response. After all, I have always believed that Liberals reject the idea that government knows best and embrace the idea that government’s job is to enable each of us to do our best. This ETS allows Australian businesses to make their own decisions as to how to reduce their emissions. Government sets the rules and, in particular, sets the cap on total emissions and then lets the market work out the most efficient and effective outcome. Schemes where bureaucrats and politicians pick technologies and winners, doling out billions of taxpayers’ dollars, neither are economically efficient nor will be environmentally effective. For those reasons, I will be voting in favour of this legislation.
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152 Responses to “Speech in the House: Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme”
Great speech. Sadly the politics of fear is very effective, as John Hewson has said recently.
Sam: global warming is caused by the sun, it comes into the atmosphere and can’t get out, due to greenhouse gases. But science is not simple. Is quantum mechanics simple?
You have demonstrated today why, in spite of your giftedness, you can never be a national leader. If you can’t control your playthings, you will destroy them. I had hoped for better things from you.
Malcolm! Well done.
You are a true leader and I love that the Liberal Party platform allows for independent opinion as this is truely democratic.
The Labor party does not allow for this people! Discussion should always be encouraged not discouraged. Freedom of speach for all politicians! Only then can you get to know what they really stand for.
Malcolm, would it be possible if you ever did get into power to make what the labor party do (by muzzling their mp’s) illegal?
Lastly – i hope you at some point, when the time is right, do for the right for Gays and Lesbians to Marry what you did today for the ETS.
Cheers!
Jay.
Since when has politics been about the individual?If you are a man of your convictions and you truly believe in the ETS please do the honourable thing and resign. You have not only betrayed your TEAM, but have become the laughing stock of all sides of politics. You’re actions are not of a leader but one of a small bitter man.
Don’t let the glass kiss your arse on the way out. You are a labor stooge and not wanted. I said I would join if you were voted out as leader and I have.
The conservative voters do not want you go sit with your mate Rudd, who knows maybe he will let you use his ute?
Global Warming is a scam and you are part of it. The ETS is nothing more than a tax.
Great speech. Good to see someone looking to the future, not short term politics. Keep up the good work.
Great speech. Finally, a politician prepared to to put the interests of future generations ahead of short term politics.
Brilliant contribution, Malcolm
I’ve followed the climate train for 4 years and it is not slowing down. I have found no body of sceptic science that stacks up against the IPCC science. If there is, would some informed sceptics out there please let us all know?
The political battlefield should NOT be over the science, but the implementation. Abbott will be a loser if he thinks he can carry off the charade to the next election.
Good Luck.
Malcolm, you lost all credibility today and made us realise how lucky we are to have you gone and Tony in your seat, when you cross the floor, stay there, that is where you belong, your supporters above are waiting for you.
Congratulations, Malcolm on holding to your principles and supporting the CPRS. Please say more if you can on how an ETS will fare without US adoption of a similar approach.
I have voted Labor my whole life but have come here to leave a message of congratulations to you Malcolm. Not because you are supporting a policy that Labor is supporting, but because regardless of personal cost you are standing up for something you believe in. Irrespective of any particular issue, if Australia’s politicians as a whole acted in this manner consistently, our country would be much better off.
Well done.
dude, if you really have conviction go another term, whether the liberals win the election or not (highly unlikely2win), if you truly beleive, ride out this typical short(well short-med)-termism, as the dalai lama says nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. even though i vote left it (would) be disappointing to see the liberals (or anyone) lose someone of conviction. shit hang on the backbenches for another 2 terms if thats what it takes, dont throw the towel in like a sook. i reckon you rose to high too fast, time now for the slog. slow & steady wins the race. and if you dont persist, the flag (abbott, changes with the wind), will have the last laugh. regret is a distasteful emotion. ps sometimes you appear to cut off your nose in spite of your face
Like the jig, your time is up. Everyone is sick of your globalist krudd.
mr turnbuls speech was just amasing. just comper it and barbnby joyse at the pres club. joyse couldnt reade his whet over becarse it wasnt a speech. he mumblt words, couldnt prounce them propally and couldnt ad up even and hes supposd t be financ person spokesperson.what a joke and allso abot hates ecnomics and doesnt know enything abt it.hoky doesnt know muck either but hes a good joker and lookt funny as a fairy.mr turnbul know a lot abt ecnomics and envirnment and thet speech was a reel speech y r the coalitions so stupit.thay have all the old male and female farts just full of bulshit and awefull bags of gass from the back now stupitly intarupting by braking out on the front sits on the bench in the front of abot which singks in his seat and it to big for him.he looks so little and a funny little guy with harde no heair luks like with a hole in the head. its so funy now and mr turnbul u wasnt never funy u lookt and akttet just like a leeder. u lookt like a leeder and soundt like a nummer 1 when ur speech today. god bles u r a good onest man.what pity u r not leeder now no more.but u culd come bak agen as the old liberls r stupit and old fachined and will go over the hill not long. u r so strong u can com bak nekt time as leeder wen thay loos agen to rud. gud luk
Give it up. Time to resign from Parliament.
I can not agree with you in 100% regarding some thoughts, but you’ve got an interesting point of view.
Missed the chance to watch your HofR speech so thanks for the Hansard here. Like one previous, I have never voted Liberal and after conscription (so much for the protection of individual freedoms) never will, but your cogent and principled arguments mark your contribution here as one of outstanding national leadership. At considerable cost to yourself. Now the next step – do not resign or step down. Stand again to be the clear and constant marker of rationality on this matter so critical to our future – beyond the next two or three electoral cycles. Leaving the field to the chancers who have again gained control on your side of the House is not in keeping with the leadership you have shown to date. Nil bastardii carborundum!
[...] Neil Full marks to former Opposition Leader Malcolm Turnbull for the sheer sanity and clarity of this courageous speech. …During my time as Leader of the Opposition I often defended the right of my colleagues from [...]
Most concise recommendation of the ETS to date. Labor should be feeling highly inadequate. Thanks for your contribution and keep going!
The Rudd government’s approach has broadly embodied the same principles, although there were problems and flaws with its initial design. But extensive modifications were made in May 2009 and again in November 2009, when changes were agreed between the government and the opposition following the negotiations between Senator Wong and the member for Groom and me.
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The very same modification , Malcolm, that your minister for climate change – Andrew Robb, said ‘Were not good enough’. Your attack on your own party is utterley disgraceful. I will be noting carefully whoever stands for you and/or the Rudd government’s ETS in whatever incarnation it is finally presented and make sure that such individuals NEVER get my support.
You have done the wrong thing by giving this speech. You lost the leadership of your party ,because of your performance and mis judgements of the issues, ask your wife she is with you 24/7, now we are seeing disloyalty to the party that gave you the chance to lead Australia, but you blew it, and now you want a dummy spit, get lost and resign.
Well said Malcolm. Its good to witness your commitment to principal and to hear your good sense about a response to climate change. Its unbelievable how shallow and wrongheaded Abbott’s response is. Stick at it, Malcolm. More power to you.
Your speech was appreciated, and it provides a refreshing perspective as opposed to Lord whats his name who was given lots of air time. We do have a responsibility to our children and future generations, and reducing greenhouse gas emissions also reduces dependency on imported oil.
I would not rule out a Carbon Tax as an interim measure, $20 as proposed by the Greens, $15 (as mentioned by Tony Abbott in another context) or even $10 a tonne to generate some funds for better and much needed infrastructure that will improve energy efficiency. This includes transport where in moving freight (except urban goods deliveries) rail and sea are at least three times more energy efficient than road.
Malcolm, your speech was great and went a long way to positioning and explaining the ETS for those members of the Australian public that read it. However, it is too little, too late. As Opposition Leader you failed to take your party and the public on the ETS journey with you. Now there is a different leader and a different policy both of which are getting traction. You should fall into line or resign. You’re simply a destabilising force that does not have the discipline to be a member of a political party.
Well done Malcolm Turnbull! The Howard government adopted the Shergold task group’s recommendation to establish an ETS, and under Turnbull they supported it in opposition. Then for crass political gain they now decide to oppose it. The Liberals really have lost the plot. The risks are great as Turnbull says but of course this lot won’t be around to deal with the consequences of their actions. Considering the fact that the basic conclusions of the IPCC have been endorsed by more than forty scientific societies and academies of science, including ALL of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries, you’d have to conclude that the only thing motivating Abbott and his supporters is self interest.
Of course there are some that don’t mind taking risks when others will wear the consequences. Bit like those Wall Street bankers trading derivatives who didn’t mind taking big risks so long as the taxpayer would be there to bail them out and even pay their bonuses. In the case of global warming, if the IPCC is correct and we do nothing, as the sceptics would have us do nothing, it’s future generations who will pay a very big price of their ‘bravery’. I suppose I shouldn’t be so amazed; I guess there are some who are just plain selfish, or maybe just plain dumb, or both.
Bravo Malcolm !
Well if Pauline Hanson’s maiden speech was, for me, the worst ever in the Australian parliament, then this one is at the other end of the spectrum.
Well done Malcolm, there is more to the man than a nice suit, ironed shirt and an important position. There is the satisfaction in knowing that you have done a good thing, despite the obvious pressure to do otherwise.
Malcolm,
Free markets work for trade in commodities that people are interested in. People like metals, wheat, wool and stocks in valuable companies. These are tangible, useful commodities for which trade comes naturally, with little need for regulation. But nobody is interested in carbon credits. A market for carbon credits can only exist by legal enforcement. Legal enforcement is against Liberalism, as is the massive administrative overhead needed to maintain it. This is the main objection to Labor’s CPRS and why you are wrong. An ETS may be in principle an efficient mechanism to transition to a low carbon environment, but in practice it definitely won’t be. As a life long Liberal voter I find your stance disappointing, and your political judgement exceedinlgy poor.
Congratulations on maintaining your stance. Stick to it and keep pushing for whatever it takes to reduce our emissions. Please encourage alternative energy sources and encourage the phasing out of the traditional power sources. When the coalition is defeated at the next election, your time might then come to lead them with your more enlightened policies. Thank you for crossing the floor and drawing attention to Abbott and his cronies’ pathetic policies.
Congratulations on a great speech. The sentence about temperature rise over the last three decades is one that climate change denialists would do well to either refute or reflect on.
If the science is correct (and I, like 99.9% of the community can not pretend to understand it) then the CPRS is nowhere near enough. But it is something.
I hope that you recontest your seat and await times that suit you. You represent all that is enlightened and rational in the contemporary Liberal party.
The one thing this list of postings confirms is that almost everyone thinks they are an expert. Regardless of what you think is right and whether you agree with him, Malcolm Turnbull has done more than any other individual in Australia to keep the issue alive and get people to at least think about it. He deserves a level of personal respect for that regardless of what your politics are.
Malcolm
That speech was fantastic. Congratulations. It’s Abbott and Co who have betrayed the Liberal Party.
What a sad bitter little man you have become. You obviously are not a team player, unless of course you are ‘the captain” and everybody plays by the rules you set. I hope you are not that gormless that you don’t realise that the “good on you Malcolm” blogs are posted by labour party supportes, who are very gleeful to 1. See you make a total spectacle of yourself, and 2. to let you do their dirty work in trying to discredit the opposition.
Just an excellent speech Malcolm. I have to say the only Liberal who has come out of last year with their integrity intact is you. Hang around mate, the party will need you again after the next election.
Malcom,
When will you quit the liberal party and bring back the Democrats so that rational, intelligent and forward thinking voters like myself have somewhere to go.
I would like to take action to applaud you Malcolm. This is the most well researched and realistic speech I have read on the subject of legislation to stave off the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration.
Like many Australians I usually approach the subject of party politics with a degree of cynicism and have no party favour. Your speech pleasantly surprised me and gave me some hope that at this important time party politics can be put aside for the common good of the young people of Australia by the introduction of a market place for carbon dioxide.
Thank you Malcolm for a great speach and and unnerving committment to the issues. Nice to hear and see someone in politics holding onto their integrity. What ever happened to that other great bloke with the gravel voice who was so dilligent on the day… off to his future career as a Tony underling no doubt. Someone should point out to him that when he was out there negotiating the issues, the sun was on his back, and he had a large section of Australia in his corner… now his future lies in the shadows. Once again thank you
Malcolm
Great speech and an excellent presentation on why we need an emissions trading scheme in order to tackle dangerous climate change.
I hope we continue to hear your voice in the strongest possible way on the need for significant action on carbon emissions and storage both domestically and internationally
I’m not a politician, but I’ll add something here around the fear and stupidity maxim of politics.
Wilson Tuckey is a mouthy git.
There is a trend here. Labor voters who will never vote liberal like what you did whilst conservatives do not.
You are in the wrong party and if you had any doubts of your future, your labor mates have confirmed you have none in the liberal party. Out of touch with your members.
Well done Malcolm; if only the ETS had been explained so succinctly last year! Being a lifetime liberal voter I can only hope that you hang in there. If the Liberal Party is to lose its “liberals” only to be replaced by right thinking “conservatives”, we only have to look at the current front bench to see the future (and it’s not pretty).
Great speech, Mr Turnbull. I see a level of clarity and sense yet to be heard from Mr Abbott (won’t hold my breathe there, he won’t even rule out a future Abbott ETS, such is the depth of his political opportunism) and only just starting to be heard from Mr Rudd. As usual, the trogs and hacks will knock you. But if they aren’t prepared to be part of a credible solution, then they are a part of the problem.
Mr Turnbull,
Please let me know which science professor, University, and or globel interlect that swayed your mind towards “global warming”?
And please, would you download your “proof”, so as I can visulise where you are comung from.
How can I assess, when you have never stated where your claims are from.
Yes I agree, as a Liberal ideology, you are able to express your strongly held views even if they are not complient with the Party.
But I must confess, I did listen to your “party speach” and it came across as a bitter and twisted man! Out to seek revenge!
You would have done better and been more respected had you just said “I will cross the floor”. You did not need to go on with all your “spilling of your spleen”.
I do not who is advising you but they and you are out of touch with the public!
Instead of being vindictive, just go with what you believe, less the crap!
You would be more admired standing for your principal but as you have always been vindictive, you are less thought of.
I still believe (and this is what you show of yourself) that you have more Socialism leanings than Liberal Ideaology.I would feel, you would be far better off if, when you crossed the floor that you stayed and joined the Labour Party.
Yours Caroline
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Mr Turnbull.
In our private E-mails you referred me to this site, Thank you. Caroline Parmeter reiterated exactly what I told you!
If you truly believe this load of twaddle that you call a speech then you have lost contact not only with the people that you are supposed to represent but with reality itself.
Please take some advise from your elders, Retire and seek medical help.
Hello Malcolm
As I commented on your personal email, Congratulations for speaking your mind and not betraying your own educated beliefs. By your speech today you have shown that you are a brave and honourable man. The Australian public have diverse views on Climate Change and the best ways to deal with it, and many are just ignorant. It is the ignorant and the blind ignorant that Tony Abbot is aiming his simplistic plan at capturing. Congratulations for your noble stance. Your speech made more sense than anything I have read on the subject. Thank you for referring it to me. I will keep it to pass on to other concerned global citizens.
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If you calculate all the heat generated by humans, Cars, trucks, tractors, Aeroplanes, helicopters, steam and fuel ships and boats, Powerhouses and stationery engines as well as the expelled gasses from our animals, through the world, we exceed the amount of greenhouse gasses that our world can tolerate, we should do something that is the best affordable, ban the entertainment motor vehicles that idiots use for a good start.
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Best wishes for the future.
Interesting speech on the THEORY of an ETS, but sadly lacking on the factual detaill of the Rudd CPRS. While in theory a market mechanism is more efficient in economic terms, the fact is that under the CPRS legislation, polluters will be able to purchase overseas permits while maintaining the same actual level of carbon pollution of their domestic activities. And you, as Opposition Leader, negotiated with the government to INCREASE the level of this subsitution, which is still in the Bill currently before Parliament. It is therefore grossly dishonest of you to imply that the current CPRS will reduce DOMESTIC carbon emissions. This is the detail which the electorate does not understand – not the principle of an ETS which you explain cogently, and which is not in fact very hard to grasp – and which you dishonestly gloss over. Read Guy Pearce’s Quarterly Essay “Quarry Vision” for a realistic picture of precisely where the Howard government was coming from!!