Speech to the CommsDay Congress 2010
I hope today to set out a framework for what will become a rational and responsible debate about the provision of broadband in Australia.
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I hope today to set out a framework for what will become a rational and responsible debate about the provision of broadband in Australia.
So let me begin by setting out two principles and one policy objective.
The first principle is that Governments should not go into business in areas where the private sector is capable of providing the necessary services.
Governments should financially intervene in the market, by way of subsidies for example, only where the market fails to deliver services at a quality and a price we regard as appropriate.
Second, a free market and competition between firms is the best way of delivering us the things we want at the best price. Governments should seek to promote competition and where a Government is in the business of providing services to the public it should not place any barriers in the way of private competition.
The policy objective is that all Australians should have affordable access to fast broadband services.
We are one of the most highly urbanised societies in the world and as a consequence most Australians live in cities where there is more than enough commercial incentive to provide broadband services.
However, a small percentage of Australians live in regional and remote areas where the cost of providing such services is so high that, were the costs of provision to be recovered, the service would be unaffordable. In those areas there is a clear case of market failure in the sense that the market fails to deliver the policy objective of universal access to broadband at an affordable price. In those areas there is a need for Government to subsidise the provision of those services and both sides of politics have been committed to doing that.
I would have thought those principles and that policy objective would find wide support.
And what we have needed is a rigorous debate of the most cost effective means of achieving that objective consistent with those free market principles.
Unfortunately, Labor prefers to frame the public debate over its plan and any alternative proposals as a series of caricatures and false dichotomies. It’s the NBN or perpetual mediocrity. Fast fibre or overcrowded wireless. Visionary nation building versus mean-spirited penny pinching. The future versus the past.
In reality, as everyone in this room appreciates, the policy choices to be made in broadband are a great deal more complex and nuanced than this. Reducing them to cartoons is helpful only if you are trying to avoid scrutiny.
Of course avoiding scrutiny has so far been central to the Government’s strategy.
I’ve elsewhere made the point that even though the NBN represents the largest single public investment in infrastructure in Australia’s history, it was devised and commenced without any meaningful evaluation of direct or indirect economic costs and benefits, and without a public business case.
Indeed only a few days ago we were advised by the management of NBN that they had not yet finalised their business case or submitted it to the Board, let alone their shareholder the Government.
So for more money than it would cost to buy all of Telstra, the Government is building a new telecommunications company without having received a business case from the management it has tasked to do so.
Infrastructure Australia, an expert body the current Government set up and tasked with exactly this mission, has not been allowed to review the project, notwithstanding its whole mission is to identify, prioritise and rigorously assess infrastructure projects of national importance.
And as Ken Henry said in 2009, “Government spending that does not pass an appropriately designed cost-benefit analysis necessarily detracts from Australia’s well being.”
Even more astonishing than the lack of cost-benefit analysis is that Labor has never explicitly defined the precise shortcomings that the NBN is intended to resolve. What exactly are we trying to achieve? And what options are available to achieve it?
This lack of precision goes all the way back to March 2007 when Labor unveiled its original $4.7 billion fibre to the node proposal with a purposeful nod to “nation building” and a dire warning that Australia risked being “left behind” in broadband.
More than three years later, the cost and complexity of Labor’s proposed solution has increased tenfold. Yet the Government still hasn’t articulated exactly what it is trying to achieve. Put another way, if fibre to the premises is the solution, what is the problem?
Well, on the face of it, it appears that the NBN is a response to four separate objectives:
• First, the Government wishes, as a matter of policy, to provide a guaranteed level of basic access to broadband to all Australians. The peak speeds provided by fixed wireless and satellite networks proposed for around 750,000 regional and remote households reveal to us what the Government considers to be a minimum acceptable community standard: 12 megabits per second.
• Second, the uniform wholesale pricing structure proposed for the NBN reveals that the Government has decided, again as a matter of policy, to provide a cross-subsidy from urban broadband users to those in the regions. Rather than make this cross-subsidy explicit, it prefers to conceal it by requiring NBN Co to charge access seekers in all locations an average price.
• Third, the Government has decided that most Australians should have access to substantially higher broadband speeds than currently available in the market, with Telstra’s fast broadband offering over its upgraded HFC network in Melbourne the main exception.
• Finally, the Government also wishes to achieve a major change in market structure. This is clear from its proposed legislation requiring Telstra to separate or be excluded from bidding for next-generation wireless spectrum; and from the decommissioning of Telstra’s copper network contemplated in the proposed NBN Co/Telstra deal. The rationale for this restructuring is to increase retail competition, even if this is at the cost of re-establishing an entrenched wholesale fixed-line monopoly.
Let’s examine each of these policy objectives in turn, and consider whether the NBN is the most cost-effective way to achieve the desired outcome.
Universal access
Given the growing importance of broadband to our economy and society, both sides of politics agree that there is a case for universal access.
The majority of Australians already have access to fast broadband.
But around 1.2 million premises in urban Australia do not, because of historic network design constraints – pair gains and the like – which mean ADSL is not available. And many other suburban households and businesses receive lower speeds than are available to the majority because they are a long way from exchanges.
Underserved areas in the cities can most swiftly be answered with network upgrades to remove the barriers to the extension of ADSL2 to all metropolitan homes. Telstra has estimated the cost of this at roughly $2 billion. Alternatively, some of these areas can be remediated with fixed-wireless service. The Coalition’s broadband policy at the recent election provided $1 billion of funding to address these areas.
In thinking about how to address black spots, Labor is quick to dismiss wireless as a broadband contender. We have just heard from Bevan Slattery one of the authors of the Alliance for Affordable Broadband paper which include some of our most experienced telco CEOs and their contention is “We believe that next generation 4G technologies are the best fit for purpose for the vast majority of consumers and SOHO clients currently without other broadband delivery options.”
Likewise, the largest new national broadband initiative in the United States at present is the $7 billion LightSquared project to build a nationwide 4G wireless broadband network to provide up to 100mbps peak speed connectivity.
The Coalition does not believe that wireless is the only answer to access shortcomings – but we do argue it is a real option for many people, that its next evolution will involve much higher speeds, and that to dismiss it as a non-contender is hardly credible.
In regional and remote areas too, there are also many places where broadband access is very poor and certainly not comparable to that available in the cities. And a lack of competition in the backhaul backbone of the network has prevented access seekers from competing with Telstra in some areas.
If the Coalition Government’s OPEL plan proposed in 2007 had gone ahead, service would already be much better in many of these areas. Instead, little other than rhetoric was delivered to these Australians between 2007 and 2010.
At the August 21 election the Coalition and Government offered essentially identical upgrades to service for households and businesses in the ‘last 7 per cent’ of the nation. Both promised to hold a tender to provide a fixed-wireless network for more than 400,000 premises outside cities and towns, and to use next-generation Ka-band satellites to deliver service to about 350,000 remote premises.
While both sides are broadly agreed on how to address the ‘last 7 per cent’, it is important that this be done in the most efficient and cost-effective way. In this vein I note with concern recent press reports that the NBN Co has decided to reject the recommendation of the McKinsey/KPMG Implementation Report that a tender be held for the fixed wireless network, and instead build it itself.
Cross-subsidies for regional users
Just as both sides of politics broadly agree on the importance of universal access to a reasonable level of service, I think we are also in accord on the importance of broadband being affordable in regional and remote areas.
Now, since telecommunications tends to involve high upfront fixed capital costs and relatively low variable operational costs, much of the cross-subsidy involved in equalizing prices between the cities and the regions is captured up front in the network roll-out. Therefore the explicit funding both Labor and the Coalition have proposed for broadband service in the most remote areas goes a long way toward delivering fairly equal access pricing.
Beyond this, the NBN also proposes an implicit cross-subsidy of operational costs, which is built into the uniform wholesale access price that will be charged across the nation.
To the extent that an ongoing cross-subsidy is needed in addition to funding for the capital cost of the network, the Coalition’s normal preference would be to deliver this through a direct subsidy to carriers from the Budget or a user-level mechanism such as vouchers. Both of these delivery mechanisms have the benefit of being far more transparent than the hidden cross-subsidy inherent in the currently proposed NBN wholesale pricing arrangements.
This would be more consistent with the reality that since the late 1980s, Australian public policy has attempted to render cross-subsidies more transparent, so their true costs can be assessed and the most efficient way of addressing regional needs can be found.
Faster speeds
The third apparent objective of the NBN is to greatly increase the speed of the broadband services available to most Australians. Today, roughly 80 per cent or so of Australians are served by exchanges which are ADSL2 enabled and therefore receive access speeds as high as 24 megabits per second, although in a great many cases speeds are considerably lower due to distance from the exchange. Of course many of those who could receive this level of service prefer to pay less for slower access, or not to subscribe to broadband at all.
A smaller proportion of Australian households and businesses, around 30 per cent, are also passed either by Telstra or Optus HFC cable. These premises can receive broadband access speeds of up to 30 megabits per second; higher speeds across the Optus network following a recent upgrade; and in the case of Telstra’s upgraded cable in Melbourne 100 megabits per second – if consumers are willing to pay for it. So far, a few thousand have decided to do so.
All universities, most larger businesses, hospitals, and a majority of schools, are already connected directly to fibre and already have even higher speeds if they want them.
Now, the Government has advanced the proposition that these existing speeds are grossly inadequate, and that over the next eight years it is critical to deliver broadband access at 100 megabits per second to 93 per cent of homes.
That was the brief given to Mike Quigley and there has never been any explanation for why the Government’s goal of universal 12 mbps broadband suddenly morphed in April last year into 100 mbps FTTH.
And neither the Government nor the NBN Co have been able to describe the compelling productivity enhancing applications which will become available on 100 mbps that are not available at 20 or 12 mbps nor have they been able to explain why consumers would be willing to pay substantially higher prices for such increased bandwidth.
At this point let me quote from a recent account by Swinburne University’s Jock Given of the ‘Fibre to the Home Conference and Expo’ last month in Las Vegas, where Ericsson North America’s director of deep fibre access, Fred Terhaar, laid out a user case for household broadband of 120 megabits per second by 2020.
Mr Terhaar reportedly suggested that household connected over fibre could be simultaneously been using cloud-based 3D gaming (20 to 40 megabits per second), a high-definition video conference (18 megabits per second), three high-definition TV channels including one video course lecture (45 megabits per second ), remote home security (10 megabits per second ) and “other equipment” (24 megabits per second).
Now, that sounds like a terrific set of services for the household, and for the retail service providers who are selling consumers these applications over a fast network. But is this necessarily a vision that the Government and taxpayers should be heavily subsidising? As opposed to subsidising better hospitals, better roads, public transport, fast rail to name but a few worthy public infrastructure objectives.
And even Mr Terhaar reportedly conceded that, and I quote, “I don’t think the business case for FTTH is a slam dunk”.
If there is a legitimate case for policies that increase the average broadband speeds available to Australians, there are considerably cheaper ways to achieve this than a $43 billion overbuild of almost the entire existing copper network.
The first and most obvious step would be to provide Telstra and Optus with the investment certainty required to encourage them to upgrade their HFC cable to DOCSIS 3.0 – a step which would cost less than a tenth of the fibre overbuild, and would almost immediately permit nearly one third of Australian homes to access 100 megabits per second Internet if they so wished. Now, not eight years from now.
Beyond this, it is clearly the case that a gradual upgrade of the existing network over time, coupled with subsidies and new network rollouts in underserved areas as outlined above, would achieve much faster access speeds for most Australians far sooner than the NBN, and at a far lower cost.
Critics of the existing copper network point out that the costs to Telstra of maintaining and operating it are gradually rising, and over time much of it will gradually be decommissioned and replaced by fibre.
But that should be a process driven by economic evaluation rather than Government fiat. Government policy should be technologically agnostic. Australia should be striving for fibre to the deepest economically viable point in the network – as determined by market demand, technology alternatives available at the time, and the need to gradually replace copper over time.
Competition
The Government claims it will promote competition by eliminating the vertical integration of Telstra. It does this by overbuilding the entire Telstra CAN, at public expense, and by contracting with Telstra to decommission its own network.
There is not an end however to monopoly. There is simply an end to vertical integration. The Government would say that the NBN will be a common carrier, open to all, selling bandwidth capacity indifferent to the nature of the data and undistracted by the conflict of interest of also owning a retail business competing with its wholesale customers.
But in response we must recognise that if vertical integration is indeed the problem, then a structural or functional separation is the answer.
There have been numerous studies done within and without Telstra on the mechanics of separating out the network business. Many people have argued such a spin-off would be value accretive to Telstra shareholders and that the sum of Telstra’s parts would be more valuable than the whole.
On this scenario, such a separated network entity would become a utility providing wholesale access to all. It would operate under a regulatory regime which sets an access price to reconcile two competing objectives: to prevent the utility exercising monopoly pricing power, while providing it with clear incentives to upgrade, but not gold plate, its infrastructure. Where such upgrades are not commercial, because of geography, explicit government subsidies can be provided either to the network company or to would be customers.
In short – if vertical integration is the problem, the NBN is not the answer unless you believe in taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
The public benefit of competition is that firms strive to provide better and more innovative products at lower prices.
But why do we imagine the NBN will lead to lower prices? The NBN’s massive
capital investment will require a return and as we have seen recently with electricity prices, when utilities invest a lot of money in new infrastructure they will, all other things being equal, be obliged to raise their prices.
A highly capitalised utility with a market limited by geography is caught, like Odysseus, between Scylla and Charybdis. It must either raise its rates to get a return on its investment, or if it cannot do that it must accept a less than adequate return and a consequent diminution in its asset value. Put another way, either the consumer pays up in higher prices and/or the taxpayer pays up in higher taxes to fund the excessive investment.
There is no shortage of infrastructure projects which have found themselves unable to generate a return appropriate to the level of investment and plenty of them are in the telecommunications space. Think of the writedowns on the Nextgen and Powertel cable networks. Think of the tens of billions lost on sub-sea cable systems in the late 90s and then consider the billions lost when toll roads and tunnels too were financed on the “build it and they will come” philosophy.
But NBN will be a fixed line monopoly and with competition only from wireless broadband it will be able to charge every year higher and higher rates for access as the McKinsey Implentation Study proposes.
And insofar as those higher rates are a consequence of the need to service unnecessary capital investment they will be in effect a tax paid by broadband consumers to finance the folly of the Labor Government.
If the Government were serious about competition then it would not compel Telstra to shut down its copper network and migrate its customers to the NBN. And it certainly would not contract to prevent Telstra and Optus from offering competitive broadband services on their HFC networks which are capable of offering 100 mbps broadband to around 2.7 million homes and can do so right now – not in eight years time and at a cost which is a tiny fraction of FTTH.
Another important part of achieving a competitive, dynamic marketplace is fair and predictable rules around access.
My predecessor Tony Smith indicated before the election that the Coalition was supportive of the Government’s legislation reforming Parts XI B and XI C of the Trade Practices Act, which are contained in legislation currently before the Parliament. This remains the Coalition’s position.
These reforms will create needed certainty for the industry and avoid the delays and disputation that have characterised the operation of Parts XI B and XI C to date. By facilitating up-front price setting and allowing the specified access pricing regime to apply for a longer duration, these reforms will help create an investment climate in which Telstra and other market participants will be more willing to undertake investment.
The next step
It is no wonder that one leading business figure after another, including recently and most cogently our host Grahame Lynch [Communications Dav 11 October 2010] is telling the Government it must undertake a rigorous cost-benefit analysis of this project.
There is every reason to believe that the private sector can deliver the broadband objectives I have discussed with some Government support in rural and remote areas.
And for those who cry out “nation building” and “vision” when matters of finance are raised consider this: why is subsidising the provision of a near infinite range video and entertainment services to every Australian home more worthy than building a decent public transport system in our cities, better hospitals and roads, let alone fast trains and water infrastructure.
Governments deal with scarce resources – your taxes – and they owe it to us to rigorously prioritise and analyse the projects on which those taxes are spent.
The Government must immediately undertake a thorough cost benefit analysis of this project. It is not too late, the die is far from cast. There is still time to get the broadband services we need at a price we can afford.




35 Responses to “Speech to the CommsDay Congress 2010”
Malcom,
I think you know the shit your touting is wrong. Up to 24 mbps is crap. Telstra only allow their gear to sync to 20mbps. average across australia is 4.
You guys had almost 12yrs to get our Telecommunications up to world standard and you failed miserably.
Time to get out of the way and let this Govt get on with the job.
Ps: read this article in Your Australian ….you might learn something.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/industry-sectors/nbn-is-financially-viable-says-optus/comments-e6frg9hx-1225938048763
Indeed. In metropolitan Melbourne I can only get around 3mbps. A colleague gets <0.5mbps. We would both like NBN speeds for the services we use now let alone what will come.
Malcolm,
Being the only member of your party with a clue about technology it must be really frustrating for you to spout what you know is rubbish for the benefit of the Party.
I agree that we need CBA done on the NBN. I actually do think that this a important piece of public infrastructure, but am not sure if anyone other than government can cope with the timeframe for a reasonable commercial return It many case competition is good but to have multiple, competing CANs is just inefficient as we have seen with Cable rollouts by Telstra and Optus. It is like having 2 railroads compete with each other to same destination. Better to have a single railroad (w/sale NBN) and allow multiple companies to their trains over them (retail NBN). I do think a better approach to this would be to buy or separate Telstra’s CAN and upgrade this to fibre overtime, whilst the upgrade is happening existing ISPs could access copper and fibre connections on wholesale terms. This I think would be much more commercially viable.
“Governments should financially intervene in the market, by way of subsidies for example, only where the market fails to deliver services at a quality and a price we regard as appropriate.”
Hello ?? What do you think has been happening in this country for the last 15 years with a Telstra wholesale monopoly.
“The majority of Australians already have access to fast broadband.”
Do you call an ADSL1 connection (in the inner east suburbs of Melbourne) that drops out when it rains fast?
I’m not sure which is worse: you actually believe this rubbish you are spouting or you are blatantly lying to the Australian people to tow the party line.
Malcolm, you know better but continue to toe the party line that Mr. Abbot as strung around your neck.
It’s interesting you use “the Alliance for Affordable Broadband” to back your reasons to can a FTTH for 4G. It’s not like Bevan Slattery and co don’t have a vested interest in gaining a tender to build your proposed wireless network – credibility going down the drain Malcolm.
By the way 4G, the true technology by definition not the marketing term companies are using for post 3G but pre-4G technologies, hasn’t even been ratified by ITU – no standards set! If you were in power, how do you propose to build your 4G Malcolm when you can’t? How long would we have to wait, when the NBN is being built now? I guess you mean you were going to build a WiMax network not a 4G network.
Also, what do you define as fast when you say “The majority of Australians already have access to fast broadband”? Because clearly you seem to be basing that on your own connection and that of your friends. I’ve lived in 5 different residencies, both regional & metro, over the last 7 years and only 1 of those allowed me to get ADSL2, only obtaining a peak speed of 7Mbits (during non-peak times mind you, useless when your out at work all day). 2 properties ADSL 1, 1.5 to 4Mbit peak speeds and 2 properties, one of which was a brand new house could only get me wireless ($59 for 5GB’s of data including uploads!!!!) – lucky to get speeds of 1Mbit or a stable connection regardless of the advertised 7.2Mbit HSDPA sync speeds – all thanks to congestion mind you. I have access to VPN to work from home, but I can bloody do that because I can’t get anywhere near the through put to be productive – the NBN being built now will solve that.
I’ll digest the rest of your article and submit another post.
Peace out.
“But in response we must recognise that if vertical integration is indeed the problem, then a structural or functional separation is the answer”.
One has to ask, does this mean you will have no issue voting with the government on the functional separation bill, seeing as you accept the validity of F.S. limiting vertical integration, and that this is your preferred solution to the problem, not the NBN (the sledge to crack that particular nut)?
The one other query i have is that the ‘taxes’ portion of the NBN on its original reading – before the Heads of Agreement – was intended to be something in the order of 33 bn with somewhere about 10 bn or better to be supplied by private investment by bond issues or another mechanism.
This naturally will be reduced by the fruition of the Heads of Agreement deal into a signed contract between Telstra and NBNco. There is also another such discussion rumored with Optus. Does the reduction in risk and costs (reputedly by several billion) to the governmental share of the build by such deals make it any more an acceptable proposition, given your concern on the costs?
And lastly given this is the #1 and 2 service providers in terms of customers we are talking about, were they to sign over their customer base to be serviced by the NBN does that guaranteed customer base do anything for the viability of it vis-a-vis signup numbers and ability to repay itself?
Telstra is generally regarded as holding somewhere in the region of 50% of the market and Optus another sizeable chunk beyond – would having those two providers on board allay your fears any?
This announcement is a farse, and backing Allience of Affordable Broadband is also FARSE.
Please explain where government intervention has helped Australia interms of simple discounts? IT DIDN’t.
Thats why the LABOR government is going to be building a NEW Fibre based network.
This lack of excuses from the Coalition Party and it’s lack of “change for broadband policy means they are still stuck in the PAST, WIRELESS IS NOT AND END ALL TO ALL CONNECTIONS.
THEY KNOW THEY CAN’T ACCEPT the SALE OF TELSTRA WAS EVER A GOOD IDEA, NOR LEAVING ANY GOVERNMENT BODDIES TO DEAL with Regulation and Communications ACT as well as running businesses related ACT’s LACK POWER to STOP companies like TELSTRA to abuse it’s MARKET POWER and the consumers of RIPPING THEM OFF.
WIRELESS was never cheap and affordable, it won’t be with Coalition plan, and Wireless is just as BAD as Copper network when it comes to REALIGHABILITY due to WHEATHER CONDITIONS and long term EFFECTS on the HARDWARE and ENVIROMENTS.
IF YOU WANT TO FIX THE INDUSTRY, then do it RIGHT.
1. Fix Regulations, including and/of Seperation of Telstra.
2. Increase powers to ACCC and modify relateed ACTS to support consumers that include Fibre Networks, Mobile Networks, Bandwidth, and so on.
3. Deceptive Pricing and PLANS.
4. Make sure government is given plenty of money to build RURAL/REGIONAL backhaul and to BLACK SPOTS as well.
5. CREATE A LONG TERM BROADBAND PLAN, thats not just based entirely on WIRELESS, including FUTURE AND CURRENT AVAILABLE UPGRADE PATHS.
6. PROPER ADVERTISEMENT OF NBN.
This is no game, we are playing with MONEY and BIG COMPANIES here.
STOP FOOLING AROUND.
-DANIEL.
It is amazing to read the misinformation posted by many commenters which perverts the NBN debate.
Telstra do not limit sync speed on ADSL2+ to 20Mbit/s, Optus do. They do so by limiting the minimum noise margin to 12dB. Telstra (and generally all other DSLAM providers) do not.
The average syncrhonisation speed of most ADSL2+ connections in Australia is 11Mbit/s. A quick check of a number of retail providers shows this as it is published on their website.
That speed is fast enough for 1-2 simultaenously HD video streams depending on the format.
VDSL technology today allows connectivity at upto 100Mbit/s and recent advances in coding techniques will extend this even further. Capacity of copper transmission technology will continue to follow lead actual consumer demand for bandwidth. Such fast DSL technology could be deployed in Australia today as it is in Europe and Asia at a fraction of the cost of NBN.
Does this mean FTTH is not necessary or a bad idea? No, it just means you need to understand that it’s not the ONLY solution to bring high speed connectivity to homes and it’s not any more “future proof” than copper.
The missing part of this debate is also the regulatory environment. The anti-competitive monster that is Telstra today rose from a government monopoly before being sold off to private investors. This is the same model of NBN. What makes you think NBNCo will be any better or worse than Telstra today? NBNCo has the minister’s discretion may retail services.
The government should intervene where private enterprise will not invest. If the government had not wasted 4 years with this NBN folly, Telstra Wholesale may well have begun roll out of VDSL and had 100Mbit/s already.
Remember, Rudd came out with a commitment of 12Mbit/s at the start of this and without changing any of the cost model, Quiggly is now saying we’ll have 1GBit/s to the home.
“a near infinite range video and entertainment services” If thats your belief of what the NBN will do for the country, then you really have no right to call yourself a public servant.. more of a public disservice.
@andrew.s
When complaining about misinformation in the comments, you should be careful about the information you provide.
VDSL has been around for over half a decade now, well before the prospect of a FTTP deployment so it’s not the NBN holding Telstra back from deploying VDSL.
Way back in 2004 Telstra said “Telstra is not interested in pursuing VDSL. We are not trialling VDSL. We see fibre to the premises as the most likely technology to support very high speed access services of the future”
Back in 2004 VDSL achieved 50mbs at 500m from the exchange. Today it’s 100mbs. It has significant interference issues and still drops speeds off rapidly as you get small distances away from the exchange.
Add to that it’s reliant on an old copper network (I’ve struggled at an office that lost connectivity when it rained over a 3 year period)
“and without changing any of the cost model, Quiggly is now saying we’ll have 1GBit/s to the home.”
Be careful with that misinformation Andrew. Read what Quiggly said. The NBN always supported gigabit speeds with the equipment currently being installed. It’s up to the market and retail providers on when 1gbps to the premises is viable to be sold Most residential users won’t need 1gbps for some time, but it doesn’t mean the NBN can’t do it. (The NTUs installed on houses in Tasmania support up to 1gbps and they were deployed well before the election).
The current record for throughput down a single strand of fibre? 74tbps (terrabits per second). You say fibre is no more future proof than copper? pffft.
VDSL is capable of beyone 100mbps however what you failed to disclose is that it is:
a) Only viable at short distances (500m)
b) requires a paired lines for such speeds (2 physical lines)
Both of these would limit VDSL to under 30mbps in Australia and most likely only slightly increase the average ADSL2+ connection speed.
As for the average ADSL2+ connection speed that is irrelevant. Their are a great deal of people who hand of ADSL2+ enabled exchanges who do not have it as they are either too far or stuck on a rim which is ADSL1 only. The real avg sync speed of ADSL in this country is therefore not 11mbps for ADSL2+ but around 3-4mbps once you incorporate in these people who cannot get ADSL2+ and synch at higher speeds.
The government is intervening where private enterprise will not invest. I have ADSL1 at my home my next door neighbor is stuck on a poor wireless connection.
I think we have sat through 12 years of Liberal inaction on this matter and look at where we are now.
If we do a half ass job now then in 20 years people will look back and go why didn’t we do it then.
Imagine in 10 years time you wake up feeling crook you jump on your web enabled hidef TV which includes a hi-res web cam. You book yourself a doctors appointment. You get an IM that your appointment is ready and there is your doctor on the TV diagnosing you. If all you have is a flu then it is probably better to get a remote diagnosis and have drugs delivered to your door then go and spread your germs around everywhere.
I thought the principles were OK, I could almost see the point that Telstra’s vertical integration might solved otherwise, but dont tell me I can’t use more than 4 meg. My eldest daughter needs that on her own. And I want full screen HD Skype to my younger daughter studying interstate.
@andrew.s
Sorry I also can’t go past this:
“The average syncrhonisation speed of most ADSL2+ connections in Australia is 11Mbit/s. A quick check of a number of retail providers shows this as it is published on their website.”
“That speed is fast enough for 1-2 simultaenously HD video streams depending on the format.”
Your analysis of current ADSL-2 like much of the other commentary around the NBN ignores the A in ADSL. The maximum upload on Telstra infrastructure is 1mbps. I’m in an office of 20 people 50metres from the exchange. ADSL2 isn’t exactly awesome for business today. I’m happy that a 8year FTTP deployment has begun but a bit sad the coalition didn’t get in and do it when Alston was moaning about South Koreans using broadband for porn…… just get on with it guys.
I got a few lines into
“The first principle is that Governments should not go into business in areas where the private sector is capable of providing the necessary services. ”
and left. Thats economic fundamentalism. I want someone running the country that bases their decisions primarily on EVIDENCE. Your party’s deregulation and privatisation of Telstra has left us with a jungle. Have you tried signing up with an ISP lately? Go to Whirlpool and get a dose of reality. Being the chairman of Ozemail has no street cred with me.
There are a number of facts pertinent to this story:
1. The Howard government dithered for 12 years or whatever over this issue and came up with nothing. All those years have been wasted and an NBN built back then would have been way cheaper.
2. Howard selling Telstra off as a monopoly in the name of a few extra bucks was grossly irresponsible, as is an Abbott government maintaining the monopoly.
3. The Liberal policy put forward at the election, aside from being completely last century and obsolete, showed this country precisely the complete and utter lack of knowledge within the entire Liberal party.
4. You are put forward as an alleged expert yet we can see by your comments in articles that your level of technical knowedge on this subject is down there with the rest of your colleagues.
5. National infrastructure for which all internet providers in the country will pay an equal price is called competition and this will actually generate cheaper prices. Compare this to how many times Telstra has been dragged before the ACCC for anticompetitive behaviour and lost.
6. Being Abbotts crony your only task is to spread misinformation and conduct scaremongering to trip up Labour and make Abbott PM at ANY cost.
Here’s some more homework for you Malcolm:
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/labor-wins-further-support-for-nbn/story-e6frf7kf-1225938293805
Malcolm…if your predecessor didnt sell off Telstra, they would have been the ones building it and us ordinary Australians would have been the owners…now we are building it for them…
It is interesting to see that, out of all posts, only Roland actually put forward a case for why fast internet is wanted: “And I want full screen HD Skype to my younger daughter studying interstate.”
We keep hearing that 10 mbps is not good enough and anything slower is simply stone age. But why? What critical application do we need 100 mbps for? I emphasize the word “critical”. If NBN simply enables things that “would be nice” to have, then perhaps money can be spent more wisely: in education, in health care, in security, in water resources etc.
Another point is that people are acting like the NBN is to be killed under Liberal, but all they are asking is to have alternatives to be considered more seriously.
Very well put Mr Turnbull. You’re really touching a nerve with the “I want a FTTH pony!” crowd
In 1999, I had 400kbps cable, in 2006 I had 20mbps ADSL (sync @ 22mbps). What has the Labor party done since 2007? Nothing. I could’ve had VDSL FTTN by now if they followed the OPEL model.
B Chan,
I’m 200m from my local exchange with a theoretical ADSL2 speed of 20+mbps but the most I can sync at is 4mbps. Why you ask?
Because the old decrepit ‘alternative’ (as you put it) copper network is not designed for this application. It is susceptible to all sorts of interference and degrades over short distances.
Copper is not an alternative to fiber.
B Chan says:” but all they are asking is to have alternatives to be considered more seriously”.,
B Chan, lets see some actual Liberal policy, I read the article and other than a call for CBA I don’t read anything but criticism’s.
By the time the next election comes around there will be another generation of young voters all who have grown up with knowing the Internet and all the great things the Internet brings, as younger generations grow up they too will need faster speeds to download the higher bandwidth content.
Labor is set to gain many votes in appealing to this younger extremely internet savvy demographic, where will the internet and technology be in 3 years, the future is FTTP and the antiquated policies of the liberals will be left in the past.
TuffGuy says: There are a number of facts pertinent to this story:
1. The Howard government dithered for 12 years or whatever over this issue and came up with nothing. All those years have been wasted and an NBN built back then would have been way cheaper.
Here’s what the internet actually looked like in 1998. Why bother posting bunkum?
http://www.zakon.org/robert/internet/timeline/
Liberal policy: http://bit.ly/cIeZJr
Is it perfect? Unlikely. But do we need an improvement (speed-wise) going as far as NBN? I don’t know, and we won’t until we give alternatives some serious consideration.
@Davey: you said, “as younger generations grow up they too will need faster speeds to download the higher bandwidth content”.
Again, what are these higher bandwidth contents? Can someone give examples of critical internet applications, and the associated bandwidth requirements?
Let me start and let’s say that video call is important. What bandwidth does it require? We know that it can be done on an iPhone using 3G, so 3G speed is what is required. Going one step further, one can also watch Youtube, quite smoothly, on an iPad, so it appears that 3G is also up to that task.
Someone I know has an ADSL2+ connection, but for whatever reason, is still using his 6-year-old ADSL1 modem. Again, he is able to watch HD Youtube without a hitch.
Last but not the least, are the above applications critical? Just because we want something doesn’t necessarily mean that we need them.
B Chan, let’s get a few things cleared up:
- The iPhone’s capabilities of Talk Time (video calling) is limited strictly to area’s where you have access to WiFi (Which is connected to your fixed line connection). Apple don’t allow users to use it over 3G because the user experience is horrendous. It’s also the reason why people don’t use video calling even though we have had video calling phones available for half a decade (if not longer).
HD Video calling would be important when formed as part of an eHealth application, which would make it critical.
– Again, with the iPad / iPhone. If you use a 3G connection your iPad &/or iPhone will stream a Youtube video in a significantly lower resolution vs WiFi (again connected to fixed line). Guess what the bit-rate is? A paltry 64Kbps. So yeah, true HD video over 3G right there isn’t it?
- With regards to the person with the ADSL2+, that says more about the technology, and the need to move onto Fibre, more than anything else. Perhaps, due to distance and degradation of his copper line, his sync speed is at or lower than 8Mbit and therefore doesn’t require an ADSL2+ specific modem. When I had adsl2+ I still used my adsl1 modem for this very reason.
Moving back to critical applications, we have no idea what types of applications, critical or otherwise, we might be using in the future. Progression in technology & en mass infrastructure allow development to happen. A software firm isn’t going to develop critical apps, or apps at all, for a technology that doesn’t exist or where access is limited to very few are they?
Technical issues: (1) FaceTime does not run on 3G but Fring does. Somebody who have that working may be able to tell us more. (2) It is clear that Youtube on iPad over 3G is of lower resolution and I wasn’t claiming HD quality. Whether that is adequate is a matter of personal taste.
eHealth: the main emphasis of the initiative is about information management and sharing. I do not claim to be an expert and I’m just guessing, so please correct me if I am wrong, most information will be text-based and as such do not require ultra-high bandwidth, especially if one uses efficient compression technology.
HD video with eHealth: if this is about remote diagnosis, then I would argue that it is better to simply put more doctors in remote areas. Then again, of course people might disagree.
ADSL1: the point I was hoping to make is that even at ADSL1 speed, one can have a rather satisfactory internet experience. Again, it is a personal taste.
Critical applications: it is chicken and egg. If there is no infrastructure then nobody will develop apps, and if there isn’t apps why bother spending on infrastructure. What about planning for both simultaneously? Ask software developers what they will actually built if bandwidth allows. Keyword is “actually”. Simply saying “we will use it” is not good enough. They are the pros and they should know better.
Forget the $43bn taxpayer funded NBN.
Brisbane plans for its own fibre network
Mr Thomas said that, by using a mix of fibre deployment techniques that used sewers, stormwater systems and micro-trenching, i3 could connect each premises at a cost of about $600, which was much cheaper than the projected per home cost of up to $3000 for the government’s NBN.
Unlike the NBN, which has a mandate to improve telecommunications services in rural and regional Australia, i3’s network will be making a good rate of return from day one.
Although Mr Thomas would not reveal the profit expected to be garnered from the network he said it would be a commercial return, which puts it at odds with the NBN and its projected government bond-like returns of 6 per cent.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/brisbane-plans-for-its-own-fibre-network/story-fn59niix-1225938922604
I used to be a bit sensitive about my age but now I boast and it’s more like so and so and almost 3/4 now, in a rather tremulous voice. I’m not about to admit my age on line; I’m not that over-the-hill, or to put it another way, over-the-hill yet. What I wanted to tell you was that even though I may be computer-tech illiterate, I believe I am one of those poor unfortunates, to whom you allude, when you refer to the “under-served”. Even though I am now metro-domiciled, I believe the hardware confuses and maddens me & the software makes me feel just soft in the head. I don’t think it’s neural; I really think it’s a result of utter frustration at the temperamental gremlins that infiltrate my already tenuous Telstra connections. I broke my glasses some time ago, so I read your speech with my only monocle. At times I thought I could see double & I wasn’t sure with which eye I should peruse your wonderful work. I finally decided which one understood it the best, I think it was the right one, oh well, which one isn’t really that important, but after working hard at reading it, I decided it was a great piece of writing – in fact a great speech. I was wondering if you could help with my weird gremlin connections as my provider just treats me like I’m unimportant because I’m a customer & they can tell I’m old because of how long it takes for me to explain? what my complaint actually is & also because I have this soft quavering voice. It is good to know that in these modern times there’s such a man as yourself who really cares about the little person and the inexorable ageing people. Could you please make my connections go faster. Thank you.
Mark above , You quote articles by supporters of the NBN, ie Optus and Business groups, well there is nothing stopping Optus or the business community going ahead now and connecting fibre to everyone’s house. They know it is not viable but if the tax payer were to install it for nothing then they would gladly use it Optus supports the NBN because it gets their biggest rival Telstra out of the way.
Lets not be fooled the NBN is more about removing Telstra’s monopoly than supplying fibre to the home. Clearly the NBN is not viable based upon the Tasmanian experience where they only connected 50% of the homes for 90% of the budget.
The Comms Day speech adds a great deal of depth to what’s been characterized up until now as either “NBN vs wireless” or “NBN vs status quo”.
Unfortunately its length seems to have put off a lot of journalists from digesting the arguments put forward–surprise, surprise.
It’s disappointing that journalists acted so suprised when Turnbull said he would not “rip up” any NBN that gets built. A central point of Turnbull’s argument is that it’s wasteful and unnecessary to rip up the extensive asset base of valuable, fit-for-purpose infrastructure which we already have. Why tear down a good house when you can get the same benefit, much more cheaply, by extending it?
A lot of critics here are still stuck in the rut of, “If you’re so smart, why didn’t you do this when you were in government?” This is a specious argument which can be used to stonewall any policy debate. For example, “If coordinated management of the Murray Darling is such a good idea, why didn’t you do it before?” Let’s move on, people.
Opponents of a cost-benefit study say that you can’t estimate the benefits of next-generation connectivity when we don’t even know what we’ll do with it yet.
Simple algebra shows that to be an invalid argument. You can just call the benefit “X” for unknown. Then study the options: is NBN the cheapest cost for X amount of benefit? Or are there far cheaper ways to do so, taking advantage of:
(a) the infrastructure we already have;
(b) the kind of market forces which have already brought high speed internet to many of us at very cheap prices;
(c) and the taxpayer funds which can be used to bridge gaps where market forces fall short.
For example, if x is the benefit we expect NBN to deliver, how much of x do we have already? Perhaps as much as 0.3x, which is already in place, will be thrown away and wasted, and when all we really need is to add 0.7x what we have.
What proportion of x benefit will people really use? Most people are not currently buying the fastest connection available to them now. Will everyone sign up for the full 100Mbps? Or is total usage more likely to be 0.5x … in which case all we need the taxpayer to fund is 0.2x on top of the 0.3x we already have. And so on.
I heard that the digging stage of the Gotthard Base Tunnel between Switzerland & Italy – the longest tunnel in the world – was completed recently at a cost of $A19.7 billion approx. It began back in May 1998 & the rail component is due to be completed in 2017. The total cost was deemed to be in the region of $US11 billion in 1998 but appreciated in cost by approx. $US9 billion (give or take) over the 12-year period. Consider that $A19.7 billion is the total cost to date over a 12- year period for a project which entailed major tunnelling projects through unforeseen geologically difficult & extremely brittle mountain rock extending in the highest reaches to an altitude of 500m above sea level. This is absolutely no mini-project; this is an undertaking of monumental proportions. I mention this amazing engineering feat as something of a comparison to the government’s freewheeling, philosophically & financially unrestrained proposed NBN project. If the Europeans can pull off such an exraordinary engineering feat for a ‘conservative’ $A19.7 billion over a 12-year timeline, then the current government is off with the pixie diddlers, perceives that our precious hard-earned taxes grow on trees & therefore they should freely & infinitely blow away in the wind. This is nothing less than a reckless attempt to fudge, fenagle & foist this foolish “priceless” project on the nation notwithstanding the lack of appropriate technical expertise at the highest levels, or the lack of any legitimate cost-benefit analysis. Talking about “lack of appropriate technical expertise at the highest levels” why is knuckle-no-tech-head-anti-tony the leader of the opposition? The only logical answer that “computes” is that a leech of lesser knuckleheads votes for him. Simple? Absolutely!
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