Inaugural Virginia Chadwick Memorial Foundation Lecture – Sydney July 21 2011
This Foundation commemorates the life and work of Virginia Chadwick, one of Australia’s most influential female parliamentarians and a strong friend of the environment. Let me say a few words about her at the outset.
She was a teacher before she presumably decided her charges were not unruly enough and so entered the NSW Parliament – better known as the Macquarie Street Bear Pit! John Fahey the former Liberal Premier of this State and Federal Finance Minister remembers that place very well!
Virginia was elected to the NSW Legislative Council representing the Liberal Party in 1978 at the age of 33. Over 21 years at Macquarie Street she blazed a trail for others to follow: she was the first female president of the NSW Legislative Council, first female Opposition Whip, first female Liberal minister and first female NSW Education minister.
As Education Minister she had many achievements. She established the NSW Board of Studies and was an advocate and supporter of selective schools in this state.
In the electorate of Wentworth, which I have the honour of representing in the Federal Parliament, Virginia’s influence is still felt. When she was shadow minister in 1988, she promised there would be a new youth centre for the WAYS Youth Services in Bondi if the Coalition won office. And then she delivered it, and that’s a very good thing. I believe that Shadow Ministers should always be allowed by their bosses to deliver their election promises. And it continues to provide valuable services to the community.
But today we’re thinking more of Virginia’s contribution to the environment in the role that she had as chief executive and chairperson of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, better known as GBRMPA, a position she held from 1999 to 2007.
The beauty and the rich diversity of the Great Barrier Reef are well known. Less well known are its fragility and vulnerability.
Virginia took on the task of protecting, preserving and strengthening the Reef and all her political skills were called in aid as she sought to balance the needs of the environment against the pressure from agriculture, industry, tourism and fishing – to name just a few.
She understood that real leadership is required to persuade people to look beyond the short term challenges created by the conflict between, say, fishing and tourist development on the one hand and the protection of pristine environmental assets on the other.
Short term the trade offs can look like a zero-sum. A win for the environment is a loss for the fishermen.
But longer term, the ability to preserve environmental assets enables their continuing use on a sustainable basis. Environmental constraints that have been imposed by price externalities, preserve irreplaceable assets, protect biodiversity, and promote the broad goals of human economic development.
Now much of the most valuable work performed by policy makers and public servants therefore is focused on attempting to persuade those incurring (or perceiving) near-term costs from environmental policies to lift their eyes and recognize the longer-term alignment of interests.
Decisions, such as the one David Kemp has spoken about when, as Environment Minister, he was a partner of Virginia’s advocacy, was the 2004 expansion of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park’s most highly protected zone from less than 5 per cent to more than 33 per cent of its total area can only succeed if contending interests are respectively recognised and where possible reconciled.
And that needed a lot of support, a lot of political skill on the part of Virginia and David, and of course a lot of political support from the Parliamentary representatives in the region, notably the Senator for North Queensland Ian MacDonald and the Member for Herbert at the time, Peter Lindsay, both of whom are here tonight.
And of course they recognised then the importance and the connectedness of these issues with the environment and the health of the community. And it’s no accident that here tonight is the New South Wales’s Health Minister, Jillian Skinner, who is here tonight drawing time out of her own schedule – heaven knows, Jillian, I can’t think of any tougher job in Australia than being New South Wales Health Minister, God bless you – but you’ve always recognised in your commitment to the environment the connectedness between a healthy environment and a healthy community. And that’s why you’re here tonight helping us honour Virginia’s life work.
Now Virginia it fell to, to work with the various interest groups and stakeholders who are affected by the rezoning. And her success is clear by the expanded protection she achieved by the sections of the reef that were covered and by the subsequent praise this strategy embodied. And as Ian MacDonald was saying to us earlier, it was all achieved on budget, a great achievement.
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Now of course the most significant but least tractable threat to long-term preservation of the Great Barrier Reef is not from illegal fishing or polluted runoff from agriculture or bulk carriers that run aground and leak bunker fuel, but from a much broader collision between human economic activity and the natural environment – global warming, caused in large part by our burning of fossil fuels and the clearing of land and the felling of forests.
The Great Barrier Reef is brutally confronted, it is indeed in the front line of the climate change battle, by two aspects of global warming. Most of the warming which is the consequence of human carbon dioxide emissions increasing the greenhouse effect has been absorbed in the ocean. That’s no surprise. As ocean temperatures rise, coral bleaching, which is another way of saying coral dying, events have increased. Indeed since 1979 there have been eight mass bleaching events on the Reef with no known bleaching events prior to that date[1].
Furthermore as more carbon dioxide is absorbed into the ocean it increase the acidity of the ocean – the last time the ocean’s acidity was this high was 25 million years ago[2]. This is reducing the capacity of hard shelled sea creatures to form their calciferous shells – whether they are krill in the Antarctic or coral in the tropics.
Much of the work that was done by Virginia and her team, many of whom are here tonight, and which continues at GBRMPA was to reduce agricultural run-off into the Reef, reduce unsustainable fishing on the Reef, and was all designed to increase its resilience to deal with these larger, long term existential threats. Just as a healthy person can better battle a disease, so can a healthier Reef better respond to, and at least in part adapt to, the consequences of climate change.
Now, you will be relieved to know I am not going to spoil the evening with another political speech about the carbon tax or Julia Gillard’s broken promise not to introduce it.
Rather, I wanted to say something to you about the importance of science.
But first, let me say straight up that the question of whether or to what extent human activity is causing global warming is not a matter of ideology let alone or of belief. The matter is simply one of risk management. It is, moreover, not a question of left versus right indeed it was Margaret Thatcher who more than 20 years ago called for immediate action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Her words, on our response to climate change were as wise and as relevant today as they were in 1990. Mrs Thatcher said then:
“Many of the actions that we need to take would be sensible in any event. It is sensible to increase energy efficiency and to use energy prudently. It is sensible to develop alternative and renewable energy sources. It is sensible to replant the forests which we consume. I note that the latest vogue is to call them ‘no regrets’ policies – certainly we should have none in putting them into effect.”
And let us not forget it was Margaret Thatcher who in 1990 committed Great Britain to reducing emissions by 2005 to a level no greater than 1990 and who as that commitment to combating climate change committed £100 million to sustainable tropical forestry. So so much for those who suggest that people in the Liberal Party or on the centre-right of politics more generally who support effective action on global warming are some how or another from the left.
If Margaret Thatcher took climate change seriously and believed we should take action to reduce global greenhouse emissions, then taking action and supporting and accepting the science can hardly be the mark of insipient Bolshevism.
Nonetheless, there is no doubt that many people are grounding their opposition to the Gillard Government’s carbon tax on the basis that climate change is not real and that the scientific consensus which supports it is not soundly based.
It is important to remember however that the rejection of the consensus scientific position on global warming, rejection of the CSIRO’s position on global warming, is not Liberal Party policy.
Quite the contrary. The Liberal Party’s policy is to accept the scientific consensus that the globe is warming and that human greenhouse gas emissions are substantially the cause of it. It is also the Liberal Party’s policy to take action to cut Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions such that by 2020 they will be at a level equal to 95% of their level in 2000. This is the same unconditional target adopted by the Rudd Government and the Gillard Government and pledged at Copenhagen.
That 5 per cent cut is not expected to single-handedly stop global warming but is a measured and prudent contribution to what needs to be a global effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions so as to prevent, it is hoped, temperature rises beyond 2 degrees Celsius in the course of this century.
Having said that, it is undoubtedly correct that there has been a very effective campaign against the science of climate change by those opposed to taking action to cut emissions – many because it is not in their own financial interests – and that this has played into the carbon tax debate.
Normally, in our consideration of scientific issues we rely on expert advice. Agencies like the CSIRO or the Australian Academy of Science are listened to with respect.
Yet on this issue there appears to be a licence to reject our best scientists, both here and abroad, and rely instead on much less reliable views. Some of those less reliable views are from scientists – although most are not.
In an age where the Internet gives everyone the opportunity to be a broadcaster, you can find an opinion to support any proposition. If it doesn’t suit your interests to reduce the use of fossil fuels, there are plenty of blogs and articles online to support your self interest.
Some of this material online can be very embarrassing to rely on. A good friend of mine recently contended that the CSIRO were utterly wrong on climate change and he sent me a paper from what he understood was “a leading scientist in a leading journal”. As it turned out the paper was in journal published by the Lyndon LaRouche Movement and was written by a man who had recently served time in gaol for securities fraud. The only peer review to which his work had been subjected was, in fact, a criminal jury.
I might note for those unfamiliar with it, that the local wing of the LaRouche movement is the Citizens’ Electoral Council (CEC) an extreme, rightwing, racist organisation that I’m proud to say that the Liberal Party emphatically and invariably puts absolutely last in any how-to-vote form that we distribute.
These are the charming people who recently disrupted a scientific conference in Melbourne by threatening Professor Hans Schellnhuber, a leading European climate scientist in the midst of his lecture by waving a noose in front of his face and saying “Welcome to Australia”. Just think about that. What a wonderful welcome to Australia from these people.
Now my friend had spent much of his career drawing on expert advice in business, economics and science. He goes to the best consulting firms for his advice, the best law firm, the best accounting firm. And yet on a subject as important as climate change he has been taken in that was anything but the best. And needless to say he was a little bit embarrassed by it.
But this is not an isolated case. And I have to say this is like ignoring the advice of your doctor to give up smoking and lose 10 kilos on the basis that somebody down the pub told you their uncle Ernie ate three pies a day and smoked a packet of cigarettes and lived to 95. Now that is how stupid it is and we have to get real about supporting and responsibly accepting the science. And if we want to challenge the science, do so on the basis of peer reviewed work of which I have to say, there isn’t a lot on the contrary side of the argument.
And this is actually — this war on science and on scientists which is being conducted is much worse than the case of person who ignores his doctor’s advice and follows the advice of his friend down the pub, drawing on the life experience of the fortunate Uncle Ernie.
Because the consequences of getting our response to climate change wrong will not likely be felt too severely by us, or at least not most of us, but will be felt painfully and cruelly by the generations ahead of us. And the people in the world who will suffer the most cruelly will be the poorest and the people who have contributed the least to the problem. There is an enormous injustice here. When people try and suggest to you that climate change is not a moral issue, they are wrong. It is an intensely moral issue raising grave moral issues.
Those of us who do not believe the CSIRO is part of an international Green conspiracy to undermine Western civilisation or do not believe that leading scientists like Will Steffen are subversives should not be afraid to speak out, and loudly, on behalf of our scientists and our science. We must not allow ourselves to be deluded on this issue.
If you are a Liberal, as I and many others here in this room are, most of us are perhaps. If you are a Liberal, do not imagine that taking that position puts you at odds with Liberal policy – it does not. It does not. And remember too that if we form a Government in Canberra and then seek to meet that 5 per cent target through purchases of carbon offsets from farmers and payments to polluting industry to cut their emissions, the opponents of the science of climate change will be criticising that expenditure too as “pointless” and “wasteful” with as much vehemence as they are currently denouncing Julia Gillard’s carbon tax.
As Liberals, we have to stake our environmental case and our position on the right way to deal with climate change on the basis that we are supporting the science. That is our policy and we should not allow ourselves to allow people to imagine that it is not. In my view, we cannot afford to allow the science to become a partisan issue as it is in the United States where it appears that it is apparently no longer politically acceptable for any would-be Republican Presidential candidate to say that he or she believes that global warming is occurring and is caused by human activities. Now the change in the Republican Party is extraordinary. In the Presidential Election in 2008, John McCain, the Republican candidate, ran on a policy in terms of climate change that was only marginally different to that of Barack Obama. I mean, the differences were one of detail. And there has been an extraordinary swing, not against cap-and-trade versus direct action; not against one mitigation policy against another; but there has been a swing against the science and that is profoundly dangerous. Because we run the risk that we diminish the science, that we discredit the science and that of course is the ultimate justification for doing nothing about it.
Now not so long ago I was with a friend, a very long serving and distinguished Environment Minister from our region and we discussed the progress of the climate change issue globally. And he said that he thought that human selfishness and greed was so great that there would no effective action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and that by the end of the century our planet would be uninhabitable for billions for people. And as he said that, I felt a chill going down my spine. I feared that he was right but my natural optimism reasserted itself and I thought to myself, ‘we are better than that’. We are better than that but you could not fault him in terms of his objectivity or realism.
Now let me just say this to you: The idea that our country, this great country of ours, can sail through a 3, 4 or 5 or more degrees rise in temperature this century with our prosperity and freedom, let alone the Great Barrier Reef, intact is very naïve. So this is a big issue. So in the storm of this debate about carbon tax and direct action and what the right approach to climate change should be, do not fall into the trap of abandoning the science. Do not fall into the trap of thinking that what Lord Monckton says or what some website says is superior to what our leading scientists or leading universities would say.
And I just ask all of you, many of you here, have had important dealings with the medical profession. Would you allow yourself, your own body to be operated on by some medical theory that you picked up on the website or would you seek to get the most highly respected specialist in the field to operate on you. We all know what the answer is. That’s what we do with our own bodies. What we’re talking about now is the future and the health of the planet.
Now I think an effective response to climate change does not depend on one mitigation policy or another being adopted. Different countries will have different views on what is the most cost-effective way to reduce and indeed so will different political parties and different political leaders. But we must not allow opposition to a particular policy to undermine or diminish our commitment to take climate change seriously and to work effectively both here and globally to ward off the avoidable consequences of global warming.
We also need to be very clear-eyed about what an effective global response to climate change requires. There are many calculations on the scale of emissions reductions required. But it is quite clear that to achieve the necessary cuts by mid century all or almost all of our stationary energy – and when I say our, I mean the world’s – will need to be generated from zero or near zero emission sources.
This could be renewables like hydro, biomass, wind, solar or tidal power. It could be geothermal power, it could indeed be nuclear power. But it will not be burning coal unless the emissions from that coal are captured in some form or other.
Australia generates most of its electricity from burning coal – much of it very emissions intensive brown coal in Victoria or South Australia. That is why our carbon dioxide emissions are among the highest in the world on a per capita basis – a reason why the Chinese (whose emissions are about one-fifth of ours) and the Indians (whose are less than one-tenth of ours) find our regular references to their emissions – and why should we do anything until the Chinese or Indians do something – why they find those references incredibly galling. Those of us, and David’s a member of this club with me, who have represented Australia at international conferences on this, know how incredibly embarrassing statements like that are when you actually confront the representatives of those countries.
We are also the world’s largest coal exporter – we have 19% and 58% of the global trade in thermal and metallurgical coal respectively. In 2009, thermal coal exports were worth $18 billion, and metallurgical coal exports worth $40 billion.
Some people would say, I trust that most would not, that as we have a vested interest in coal being burned we should oppose action on climate change and rather like the tobacco companies who sought to discredit the connection between smoking and lung cancer muddy the waters on climate science in order to prolong the export billions from coal mining.
Others might say that we should not be troubled by the long term prospects for coal because we have abundant resources of the alternatives – gas, the least emissions intensive fossil fuel, uranium, geothermal power and, of course, plenty of sunshine.
A more responsible approach would be to encourage the development of those alternatives at the same time as we promote and develop technologies to capture CO2 emissions from coal burning – whether that is by pumping it into the ground or by turning it into other useful products.
Indeed many would say that no country has a greater vested interest in clean coal than Australia.
And yet I regret to say to you that neither the Labor government led by Julia Gillard – who is a woman fond of a hard hat, I must say – nor the coal industry itself have shown much enthusiasm for investing in Research and Development or trials for Carbon Capture and Storage. In fact funding has been cut again as part of the recent carbon tax package.
A handful of large firms dominate production of thermal coal and coking coal. BHP, Peabody, Rio Tinto, Anglo-American, Xstrata, Wesfarmers. The operating earnings generated from thermal coal production alone are not easy to estimate, but they may approach $10 billion in good years. There is plenty at stake at both the level of producers and export earners, not to mention the taxes they pay along the way for there to be a critical mass of parties with the motivation and resources to move on carbon capture and storage.
Now one of the most dispiriting parts of Professor Garnaut’s updates was his analysis in volume seven on carbon capture and storage. Essentially he said work had come to a halt in 2008 and no technical progress or commercial pilots of significance were apparent. The estimate of coal capture and storage adding 40-plus per cent to the cost of coal-fired electricity was about the freshest fact on the page.
One need only look at the vast expansion of new investment in coal-fired generation underway in China, India and elsewhere to understand the importance of this issue. Carbon Capture and Storage isn’t just about saving Australia coal exports or generation capacity. It is about addressing the reality which the MIT study on the future of coal baldly stated as long ago in 2007: “We believe that coal use will increase under any foreseeable scenario because it is cheap and abundant.” Now if it increases and emissions increase and the science is right, the Reef is finished. And that is a very small part of it. So this is a very serious issue and it is remarkable that with all the rhetoric about the need for action from the Gillard Government, the single most important area of research and development, the one that is arguably the most important in terms of the world’s future and most certainly most important from the point of view from our own economy, is being neglected.
So the commercial feasibility and large-scale deployment for Carbon Capture and Storage is the only way – in the absence of some great technological shift, and you won’t find me discounting that, I’m a great believer in the disruptive power of technology – the world has any chance whatsoever of achieving the cuts needed to get to the 60 per cent or 80 per cent 2050 targets that leaders have committed to.
The thermal coal industry and the Gillard government both know this. So how should Australians interpret their disinterest in this technology? As an acknowledgement that Carbon Capture and Storage doesn’t work and is too expensive and hence thermal coal is finished? Or a sign they don’t ever expect to be answerable for those 2050 targets? I fear that is probably the answer.
Now it is up to us, as friends of Virginia Chadwick and as Liberals, to be prepared to look beyond the horizon and recognise that we must act responsibly as custodians for the future of this country and this planet. For our children and our grandchildren and the many generations beyond them. We must treat the science with respect and rely on the best science which is the only responsible and prudent thing to do. And above all, we should commit ourselves to ensuring that the Great Barrier Reef, which Virginia did so much to protect, and so many other wonderful but fragile environmental assets are not destroyed. We must ensure all of the good work from Virginia and all of the other people who worked with her are not utterly undone by all of the consequences of global warming, of ocean acidification and these great existential threats to the planet that we enjoy, that we revel in and that our children and grandchildren will be able to enjoy just as we have done.
[1] Report of the Climate Commission “The Critical Decade” May 2011 p.12
[2] Ibid, p.28



54 Responses to “Inaugural Virginia Chadwick Memorial Foundation Lecture – Sydney July 21 2011”
Good stuff Malcolm. Interested in a job as Labor leader?
Excellent speech. Thank you. It saddens me that the general ddiscuaaion has degenerated to little more than 4th rate high school debates and yelling matches. I really don’t understand why this kind of intelligent dialogue seems to be so impossible in the current climate (sorry about the pun)
Excellent speech. Thank you. It saddens me that the general discussion has degenerated to little more than 4th rate high school debates and yelling matches. I really don’t understand why this kind of intelligent dialogue seems to be so impossible in the current climate (sorry about the pun)
Thank you. Please keep contributing and leading. It’s a great shame that such a reasoned argument stands out as much as it does in our current political world.
Excellent speech. The sooner you return to leadership the sooner I can again vote Liberal!
Thank you for a great speech. The sad thing is that there are many who would not have heard you or listened to the points you made. Brilliant. Great leadership.
Terrific speech. Shows very clear decision for the Liberals – global concern vs personal greed and selfishness, bullying vs gentlemanly debate, decency vs personal opportunism. Thank you for modelling true response-ability
Why are you not the Opposition Leader? Please see off Abbott and Gillard!
[...] as Malcolm Turnbull has again asserted his leadership aspirations through a speech supporting climate change scientists and the CSIRO, Kevin Rudd has similarly demonstrated his clout [...]
Great work Malcolm. Good on you for taking politics out of the basic issue that we have a problem and we need to do something about it.
Best speech on the subject I’ve read in at least the last year. What a relief from the opportunistic drivel put out by the other politicians on this subject. It’s clear that you understand the issue, and if you became Liberal leader again I might vote Liberal for the first time in my life.
Thank you. Your speech was brave, provocative and fair.
Excellent speech. We need to raise the level of debate. Climate change issues are about risk management, something that most pollies seem to be amazingly ignorant about. I will return to the Liberal fold if the Libs get rid of Abbott and his ilk, and good thinkers and leaders take their place. You are the only bright spot in the darkness that is currently the Liberal Party.
Hear hear!
Excellent, Malcolm. This is arguably the most important issue to be addressed this century. We need to galvanise all liberals and conservatives to action.
As the politically conservative professor Kerry Emanuel of the department of atmospheric phyics at MIT says:
“…Like it or not, we have been handed Phaeton’s reins, and we will have to learn how to control climate if we are to avoid his fate…” Phaeton was the son of the ancient greek sun-god, who was handed control by his father with disastrous results.
Thank goodness that there is one sane voice in the Liberal Party. Malcolm, you may have to decide between pursuing Prime Ministerial aspirations or making a real difference to Australian politics. Following in the footsteps of Don Chipp would be no bad thing.
Great speech. It is both a good thing and a shame that you are the most effective communicator in the Parliament about the needy to address climate change.
Mr Turnbull why do you not join the Greens? Or the Labor Party because Julia is already doing the advertising for the Greens? What is in it for you to have the C-tax introduced?
Well done and thank you Malcolm. The Liberals have to stop talking down the economy. The power of negitive thinking fron T.A. is starting to hurt Australia. When will your fellow opposition members wake up.? Your day will come.
Having just moved into your electorate, I am pleased that my local member seems to be one of the few beams of rational light in what otherwise is a cellar of flat-earth thinking & personal opportunism that the current Liberal Party leadership represents.
Malcolm, how do you think Australia could be run if all Members of Parliament were independents? The Liberal party system is part of the basis of our democracy, where meetings are held and all members can discuss the matter. You would be better in Parliament as an Independent, as you do not seem to like working with a team.
Welcome back Malcolm. I am not a liberal voter, but to me climate change isn’t a party issue. Your leadership on this issue is critically important to the future of Australia. Go man go!
Thanks Malcolm! At last… Some reality checking. We have denied the work of our scientists in such a shameful way. Keep putting your message out there, we don’t have time anymore for petty self interest when the fate of all humanity is at stake.
Never before have I been so inspired to abandon my post and come volunteer for such an honourable and inspirational man. Just say when Malcolm and I will be there. In the interim, please continue to be the voice of reason in the Australian climate change discussion.
Intelligent. Moral. Please persist.
Congratulations on such leadership. A solitary moral leader in a parliament of selfish people.
Dear Malcolm,
It’s a dilemma is’nt it, a wonderful speech such as this will be read by only a few, be applauded by mainly, i observe from the responses, “no longer Liberal voters”, be quoted out of context by the press, and dwell in the ether of the internet. It seems that this issue has been dominated by the complete incompetence of the Labor government. If the government had been one of competence and achievement, this debate would be able to be conducted, i feel with much more decorum. However, being put forward by a government of uncomparable incompetence, means that this debate starts from such a low base. It is the equivalent of the ‘village idiot’ coming up with an idea. The fact that there seems to be so much conflicting science does not help. I do not think that this will get the traction that it deserves until Labor disconnects from the Greens and goes to an election. I do feel that population explosion is still the biggest problem facing mankind. Bob Brown said that there was 1 billion people on Earth in 1900, i have read that there was approx. 2 billion. Ifman walked upright 50 million years ago and it took that long to get to 1-2 billion, yet took only 100 years to get to 7 billion, i feel that is our real dilemma. Now there is a problem which can divide the public. Kind regards Philip Connolly
Mr. Turnbull’s speech has, at least, made one thing clear. That is that the Coalition’s policy on climate warming is predicated on acceptance of the science as propounded by the IPCC, our CSIRO etc.
Sadly, the speech missed an opportunity to state clearly that scientific opinion is however genuinely divided on the cause, nature and extent of climate warming and the responses that we can and should make to the perceived problem.
People like me, who have been conservationists our entire adult lives, are attacked and ridiculed because we question climate modelling when considering real world observations to the contrary.
The IPCC theory of rising C02 emissions and rising temperature has been shown to be incorrect using actual data between 1998 to 2010.
Also, CSIRO modelled sea level rise projections have been shown to be wrong based on analysis of data of sea levels collected across Australia, NZ and other parts of the world, where sea level data has been collected since the beginning of the 20th century.
My point is that the science analysing climate change is so complex and rudimentary that it is wrong to ignore constant analysis and results that do not accord with your, IPCC, or CSIRO theories/models and opinion.
Most importantly Mr. Turnbull missed the opportunity to decry the imposition of a tax on our economic growth and jobs, compounded by the economic uncertainty overseas.
He should have roundly condemned the Labor party for a craven acceptance of green party policy as the prive of attaining and keeping control of the Treasury benches.
The insurance policy analogy or the precautionary principle often proferred as a reason for accepting climate guesswork is clearly nonsense.
Insurance is taken out for identifiable and measurable threats. Lifeboats on ships, seat belt and airbags in cars are examples. Not everyone needs the benefit of them during their lifetime but because of the risk we mandate them.
Using Mr.Turnbull’s thesis, persons with a great grandparent born with heart disease or a defect should today be mandated to have a heart transplant or forgo doing anything much in their lives including not having children because of the possibility of early death or incapacity. Plainly, such a person should be advised to think carefully about what he/she should eat and what activities to undertake. In other words, adapt to circumstances as they arise and constantly assess their behaviour.
Stan Coveney
Bondi beach
Stan
“The IPCC theory of rising C02 emissions and rising temperature has been shown to be incorrect using actual data between 1998 to 2010.”
In what way has it been proven wrong?
You cherry pick data from not much more than a decade, use as your starting point a major El Nino that biases your result – what does a 5 year or eleven year moving average of the data look like?
Next you are ignoring or are not aware that the temperature’s you are looking at are for just the atmosphere. When we add up all the energy that has been added to the Earth’s climate system by AGW, the atmosphere (what you are commenting on) makes up only 3% of the total. The oceans have absorbed 30 times that much. They are still warming, reaching now down to the very abyssal depths around the Antarctic.
Then the other factors you are overlooking during this period. At the end of the decade we had a very long and deep Solar Minimum. Sulphate Aerosol emissions into the atmosphere from China are at similar levels to what the US and Europe were emitting before the introduction of Clean Air Acts in the 60’s/70’s, yet we have still seen warming. Temperatures in 2010 during a major La Nina were as high as 1998 during a major El Nino. This implies that underlying warming has continued. Also, why are you looking at only around a decades worth of change? Decade level natural variability is around 0.2 DegC which is enough to temporarily mask warming trends. The World Meteorological Organisations definition of climate is weather averaged over 30 YEARS. A decade is still just short term variability.
And it isn’t the IPCC’s theory. They didn’t invent it. A modern understanding of the vasics of AGW goes back to the 50’s & 60’s. And the IPCC doesn’t have any theories at all. It doesn’t create theories. It reports on the science done by scientists. It is a reporting agency, not a research one. Actually carrying out research into climate is way beyond the resources of an organisation with fewer than a dozen staff.
Really Stan, aren’t you just making Malcolm’s point for him?
Well said, Glen – I couldn’t agree more. And apart from anything else, who in their right mind would argue AGAINST sustainability and protection of the planet?
Very impressive speech Malcolm. Only the short-sighted, selfish and pig-headed could disagree. One issue that you missed is over-population. I wished you addressed this. As far as I know, you are a believer of a big Australia but that means more deforestation and consumption and that means more carbon pollution. I would love you to campaign against our huge immigration policies, scrapping of the baby bonus and endless growth.
Science is a moving feast. Mostly this doesn’t matter. For example whether the Piltdown man was real – as scientists thought – or fake as it turned out was of no consquence. Whether time was invariant as scientists thought or variable as Einstien showed was of no consequence. Whether the universe was infinite as was thought or finite and expanding as is now thought is of no consequence.
Unfortunately, the current scientific establishment view on climate has enormous consequences. It threatens to turn the world upside down. Us lay people have to look at it critically. Instead of doing that Mr Turnbull simply bows to authority. Has he personally looked at the temperature record since the end of the little ice age? I would like him to do that. I would like him to assess the warming in the period from the late 1970s to 2000 (no warming has since occurred) against the warm period leading up to the 1940s. I would like him to form his own assessment of the global cooling which took place after the 1940s. Yes, I know he is not a scientist but it may help him ask the right questions. My scrutiny of the temperature record since 1880 suggests the trend is linear with multi-decadal oscillations. This would count against CO2 having the most influence because it has been on an accelerating growth path. He may have asked questions based on his own research. If so let us hear about it. Please not this business of simply bowing to scientific authority – scientists change their minds as new evidence emerges; all the time.
Why are the modest changes presently being made to the economy leading to a disaster. Delivering a 5% cut in Australia by 2020 really means 20 to 25% in the next 9 years. But in practice this is almost impossible because the investment, technology,resources, and political commitment required will not be delivered. We will have better data and understanding but we will have had negligible impact on the economy and if it all turns out to have no substance we will be able to continue to grow the population, the economy and standard of living indefinitely, won’t we!
I think you need to listen to Malcolm Turnbull. Science provides our best estimate of where we are heading, it has delivered in the past. I don’t think Einstein’s work is of no consequence, most of the technology we use has been built on the last 200years of Physics.
Peter
“Has he personally looked at the temperature record since the end of the little ice age? I would like him to do that. I would like him to assess the warming in the period from the late 1970s to 2000 (no warming has since occurred) against the warm period leading up to the 1940s. I would like him to form his own assessment of the global cooling which took place after the 1940s. Yes, I know he is not a scientist but it may help him ask the right questions. My scrutiny of the temperature record since 1880 suggests the trend is linear with multi-decadal oscillations”
I don’t know if Malcolm has but I certainly have.
Firstly read my comments to Stan earlier about the last decade.
Now to the warming during the 30’s/40’s. A few things you didn’t mention or may not be aware of. The first half of the 20th century appears to have had some what higher solar activity than the latter half. Also the 1st half had lower volcanic activity. Next there was an observed discrepancy in how sea surface temperatures were measured, with a sudden change in Aug 1945. Back then SST’s were measured from ships, with most measurements taken by British & American ships. They used different sampling methods with different biases and during the war years the sampling was predominantly by american ships. Then the balance reverted to more british ships in 1945. How much of the warming bulge in the 40’s was due to this.
Next go look at the detailed geographical data on temperatures. During the 30’s there were no measurements in the Antarctic, and a small handful of stations stared to appear in the record in the Soviet Russian Arctic. And only in the 40’s did records from Greenland alaska etc start to appear. Yet the largest reporting of warming during the 30’s/40’s was in the arctic. What sort of problems with power geographical coverage or poor station practices might bias the result. You should look at the temperature records at GISTemp – not just the global trend but also the geographical and latitude/time series data. It might paint a different picture for you. See also my comments to Stan about the years before the Clean Air Acts. Also the fact that although cooling did happen from the late 40’s to the early 70’s, this was mainly cooling in daytime temps. night time temps did still show warming. Pretty much what you would expect if AGW (which operates 24 hours a day) was continuing but being masked by aerosol produced dimming during daylight hours.
As I said to Stan, aren’t you making Malcolms point for him. Shouldn’t you research a lot deeper before tryimng to reach conclusions?
Don’t we listen to authorities because they are knowledgable enough to be authoritative? Because that is their day job, as opposed to people like us doing this in our spare time.
Great speech, Malcolm. A clearly stated, consistent, honest, position, unlike the Priest of the Broad Church you belong to, who changes sides with the wind and cannot be trusted on anything. You can assume you did well when the Sydney Jones Parrot berates, belittles and attacks you on air, hiding behind the safety of his desk. Why don’t you stand up to him?
thank goodness for Malcolm turnbull his deate and intelligence shines through all the recent nonsence that is being thrown about . We need more of this leadership in the national debate
You get my vote
Thank you Malcolm. Listening to your speech reminds me that there is hope. That we do have leaders with integrity & intelligence.
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Thank you Malcolm. Great speech. You give me hope. I hope some of your colleagues from both sides of the parliament read it and learn from it. This is the sort of leadership we need on this issue.
It may be a broad church, but very few in the congregation seem to worry about our long term future for some quick gains. Thank you Malcolm for putting some sanity into the debate.
Malcolm, I’m far from a liberal voter, but thank you for a great speech. I hope that the policy of your party is truly what you say it is, because that is not the perspective we are getting from the mainstream media.
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Another brilliant, cogent speech on this issue. My only quibble is with the comment on carbon capture and storage. It is desirable for this technology to be viable. But the coal companies have the incentive and more than enough resources to invest in the technology. they do not need publicly funded research.
In your speech you put the case for listening to credible scientists. I don’t detect you saying we should not listen to anyone who is sceptical; you just to ensure that those we listen to are credible. I notice that some that are at odds with you disagree and think that the issue should be decided by, amongst other things, public debate. Jo Nova of Climate Sceptics said on a recent Background Briefing program (ABC Radio National) about Lord Monckton: “Yes, absolutely, a public debate, yes. Put all the facts forward. Let the public decide. Explain them well. We need documentaries going both ways.”
If I was told by a doctor that I had something wrong with me that demanded radical intervention, it is likely that I would exercise some scepticism and seek another opinion. But I would seek that opinion from another qualified and credible professional in the field. I would not put on a BBQ at my house, invite my neighbours, explain to them my limited understanding of the science supporting my doctor’s diagnosis, and ask them to decide whether I should go ahead the recommended intervention. While I might have some discussion with friends, I would rely on the advice of someone with relevant and current knowledge and skills.
So, I read with interest what Richard A. Muller, Professor of Physics, University of California, Berkeley said about the famous “Hockey Stick” graph of climate change. The Hockey Stick found its way into IPCC reports and was quoted by Al Gore in “An inconvenient Truth”. The Hocky Stick is now debunked, and Muller said of it in Technology Review (October 2004):
“Not only does the program [used by Mann who reported the Hockey Stick result] not do conventional PCA [principal component analysis], but it handles data normalization in a way that can only be described as mistaken.”
This fellow is a sceptic – as scientists are taught to be. Muller was recently called before US House of Representative to report on the findings about climate change of a project being conducted at Berkley University. His statement to House can be found at http://www.berkeleyearth.org/Resources/Muller_Testimony_31_March_2011 .
Muller and his team are critically analysising date relied on by the IPCC and others to conclude that climate change is real, caused by human activity, and demands a political response. The conclusion of his report to the House is interesting: “Despite potential biases in the data, methods of analysis can be used to reduce bias effects well enough to enable us to measure long-term Earth temperature changes. Data integrity is adequate. Based on our initial work at Berkeley Earth, I believe that some of the most worrisome biases are less of a problem than I had previously thought.”
To my mind this is a true sceptic. He seems to be applying his considerable skills to looking at the evidence around climate change in a way and at a depth that we members of the general public cannot. I suspect that the Mullers of this world will not have their sceptical vocies heard on popular Australian (or Americal for that matter) radio.
In my opinion you have taken a correct and courageous position on climate change. I shall be listening attentively to what the likes of Turnbull the politician and Muller the scientist say on this topic in future.
Ken
Interesting comment.
Yes Muller and the BEST team are working on yet another reconstruction of the temperature record. This will be added to the 4 main current reconstructions – HadCruT, GISS, NOAA, JMA – and several others, the 2 satellite data series from 1979 – RSS & UAH, as well as several other analyses of the satellite temperature methodologies by Fu & Johansen, Vinikov & Grody and Zou et al.
In addition their are at least a dozen or more other surface temperature reconstructions done by individuals and small groups on the Net that have produced essentially the same results. And the Muir-Russell enquiry into Climategate that was able to put together a comparable temperature result in just 2 days.
And BEST’s preliminary results align with all of these. Also Anthony Watts and his surfacestations.org group that investigated meteorological station quality issues recently published their findings that these issues haven’t affected estimates of temperature trends either.
So yes, Muller is being a ‘true’ skeptic. But how often does skepticism need to be repeated again and again ad nauseum before it is no longer skepticism but rather just grandstanding and pious sounding obscuritanism.
And the implication from your comment seems to be that the 10’s of 1000’s of scientists across many disciplines of science who have worked since the 1950’s on developing our understanding of what we now call AGW weren’t skeptical. Just the ‘true’ skeptics! Isn’t that really just a bit of grandstanding on your part as well?
To succeed propaganda must control the information arena and probably explains the Govt hostility to the Aust newspaper which dares to differ. That climate change/global warming is propaganda is indutiably so. Several examples of the rhetoric can be found in Malcolms speech. In particular; appeals to right mindedness, elevating certain scientists to a sort of symbolic aristocray while vilifying sceptical veiwpoints by linking them to the CEC and tobacco, repeating simple messages that nature is good but humans are bad and then we are doubly bad as Australians.
I agree with Jo Nova we want a debate about what people really need and want.
It is high time we heard from people like Malcolm about the economic reform waiting in the wings. It may be that the fiat currency will be the saviour of governments and merchant banks but us mere mortals are not privy to that information.
Interesting idea Mike. The science of AGW is propoganda just because the language used to promote action falls into some category of rhetoric. That the style of language used to describe something trumps the Laws of Physics. Wow!
Then you say “repeating simple messages that nature is good but humans are bad and then we are doubly bad as Australians.” Can you point out where Malcolm says this?
And links to Tobacco for example? Read about Richard Lindzen’s history.
Elevating ‘certain’ scientists? Like, maybe, 10’s of 1000’s of them?
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Is the video of this speech available online?
What does the science say about the prospects for carbon capture and storage?
Even if the technology eventually became available and financially viable, do we want to rely on non renewabe coal resources that took millions of years to form, for the sake of the energy apetitite of current generations?
And what about the food producing land that coal mining displaces?
Great speech. I echo the feeling of a few other commenters. I’ve never voted Liberal in my life, but Malcolm Turnbull could make the difference…
You should write more often, I really enjoy reading your blog