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Response to Andrew Bolt who says if gays marry they will encourage monogamous straights to stray (ROFL)

Published on: July 07, 2012

Andrew Bolt has had a go at my gay marriage speech in his blog today.

As far as I can see he has two points to make.

First he says that if you recognised gay unions with the title of marriage you open the door to polygamy. This is the weakest and worst sort of argument used against any change and known as the “slippery slope” argument – if first you make one change then a whole series of other changes will follow. As any lawyers reading this blog will know, judges treat arguments like this with the contempt they deserve.

But let us deal with the substance. There is no demand, no lobby, no support, no constituency for legalising polygamy under the Marriage Act. If you needed a contemporary, as opposed to a traditional or cultural, justification for not recognising polygamy it can be found in our, and most societies’, view of the equality of men and women.

Second he says that the whole purpose of marriage is a permanent relationship, that gay couples (gay men he is speaking about here) are more likely to be promiscuous and have extra-marital affairs and that therefore if gays are allowed to marry they will influence the understanding of marriage among the straights who will accordingly become more promiscuous.

This must be the longest bow of all – all those chaste and monogamous heterosexuals out there are about to become slavering, dissolute, philanderers because gay couples are according to Mr Bolt less faithful to each other than men and women.

And he wonders what I am talking about when I speak of the hypocrisy of the sanctimonious. Open your eyes, Andrew! If a heterosexual married couple want to find an example of marital infidelity, adultery, promiscuity they hardly need to look out for any gay couples they know. How many of their friends’ marriages are breaking up? How many of their friends husbands or wives are playing up?

Or they can turn on the television or open a magazine or newspaper. Where shall we start?

Take Hollywood – most of the news is about who is having an affair with whom, whose marriage is breaking up, who is getting married for the umpteenth time.

What about politics? Take Silvio Berlusconi for example, would he have been, could he have been, more promiscuous if there had been gay marriage legalised in Italy. Could he have had even more bunga bunga parties?

Finally, and speaking from my own experience, the gay couples I know who have told me they would like to have their unions recognised as a marriage have generally been together for a very long time and lead lives of demure domesticity.

316 Responses to “Response to Andrew Bolt who says if gays marry they will encourage monogamous straights to stray (ROFL)”

Simon P says:

Malcolm – this is a real worry. I have been happily married to my wife of 26 years and we attend church every Sunday. If you allow marriage equality it may cause my secret gay lover to encourage me to leave my wife.

Peggy says:

No ‘civil unions’ please: these have been shown undeniably to undermine marriage and open the door to polygamy. (Canada, Justice Department, 2006). Thank you

Paul B says:

Thank you for showing such great leadership on this issue Mr. Turnbull. Slightly amazed at the number of comments from the religious fundamentalists – what an intolerant & ignorant bunch!

I applaud you for taking this stance. I believe it is so important, not just to same-sex couples but also to their friends, families and community, and this is why we should have ‘marriage’ . http://macarthursmutterings.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/if-we-call-it-something-different-then-it-means-something-different/ and not just ‘civil unions’.

Kyle D says:

Firstly, as a 28 yo straight male, I agree with you Malcolm, and thank you for taking a stand with this issue that will undoubtedly become law once the god faring extremists and ignorant baby boomers die off. Yourself excluded of course.
Unsurprisingly this forum has been inundated with religious crap that can only be described as laughable. Stay in your church and prey to god this won’t happen, no one cares, because no one is listening.
The old folk in 40 yr marriages with happily married sons and daughters… wake up. Your son is potentially gay and he’s probably cheated on his wife. That’s reality, deal with it!
You seem to ignore the changing face of the world, which doesn’t really bother my gay friends, nor me. You can win as many battles in your (hopefully shortlived) time on earth as you like, but you will NEVER win this war. Deal with it.

Jenny says:

Kyle, by “ignorant baby boomers” are you referring to the generation of Germaine Greer, Bob Brown and the Rolling Stones?

ROZALIA MAJORES says:

MR Turnbull,just a few days ago we were discussing with a friend how you`d make a better leader than any one else in the coalition,well you should have seen the backflipp we both did.No wonder MR Abbot has such a hard time as leader look at the jokers surrounding him,whats next MR Turnbull next we`ll start condoning PEDOPHILIA and BESTIALITY? after all that might also get you a few votes.You`ll certainly need it since you lost this families and that is quite a few.

Jarrod says:

Rozalia – that is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Thats like saying if you allow a child to sit on your lap whilst you drive an old car in a private paddock – next thing the child will be driving a formula one car down the highway! You religous fanatics are without a doubt the most irrational beings on earth. Your logic stinks, your theories stink, your beliefs are absurd and you are all morally corrupt (Just like your church leaders who enjoy the company of young children)! As Kylie D has said above, you will lose this war – undoubtably!

Jenny says:

Jarrod, Rozalia did not mention religion at all. People have various reasons for their beliefs. While I do not agree with her at all, there is no need to be abusive.

Luana Stage says:

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Alex says:

I applaude you, Malcolm for taking the stance on this issue against party lines. It is a rare quality to be well educated, business- and technology-savvy and respect fundamental human rights in one political package.
I hope you will be a leader of the coalition soon.

Catrina says:

Malcolm,
When oh when will you be leader of the coalition.I am a liberal voter but have been struggling to stay loyal to the party with which my political ideals aline,while we have Tony Abbott has leader,I feel he is very out of touch with a socially progressive forward thinking modern Australia.
Keep it up!.

Barbara Hughes-Rigby says:

As always, you present an articulate and well argued case. Though not a liberal voter, I am proud that you are my local member and dearly wish that would replace Tony Abbott as coalition leader.

Murray says:

Thanks Malcolm. I’ve always been a Labor voter but the sooner you are Prime Minister of Australia the better! Tony Abbot chooses to promote discrimination against his own Sister so any stranger wanting him to help will be waiting a long time. Both he and Julia are like trying to run a country on Windows 95. Australia needs a visionary who is financially smart and socially rational and you and Lucy are the leaders Australia needs taking us into the future. Christian’s are interesting, the bible makes many references to obesity, which has to be the greatest moral challenge of our time but it never gets a mention. Overweight leaders from the religion industry demanding abstinence has always seemed very funny to me. Another statistic is less than 1% of people living with HIV are gay men, over 99% are heterosexual with over 50% being women and children. A majority are from countries where religios leaders discourage the use of condoms with awful consequences which just doesn’t seem like something Jesus would applaud. People like Andrew Bolt who really are a big fish in a small pond could never be accused of being the poster child of rationality, vision or magnificence. It’s hard to be positive when you’re paid to be skeptical. Any idiot can criticize, condem and complain. It takes courage, leadership and a genuine belief in the best in people to lift a society to greater heights. A Gay man runs the worlds most successful company Apple so he seems blessed by God, not punished!

Aaron says:

I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman just like it says in the Bible. Or, just as it says in the Bible, a man, a woman and other female concubines, or a virgin woman and her rapist (Deut 22:28-29), or a male soldier and a female POW, or a male slave and a female slave, or a man and many wives (700 if Solomon is taken as an example).

I’m afraid marriage should not be permitted for gays. They should be limited to spending the night with each other and teaching each other the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven just as the missing/secret Gospel of Mark describes Jesus doing with the male youth that came to him wearing nothing but a linen cloth over his naked body.

Aaron says:

There is potential for children to get bullied at school though. I feel sorry for the children.

The children who do the bullying and expose their parents as bigots that is.

Nev Manners says:

Malcolm Turnbull,Thanks for being an open minded polly, where are the rest of them? Get rid of Abbott

Spiro says:

Malcolm, as a labor voter who im suprised to admit would vote liberal if you were the leader of Liberal Party, I have to disagree with you on this issue, I believe gay relationships have been recognized to the extent needed to ensure legal repsentation. Marriage is between man and woman and our entire existence is affirmation of that.
Now on the matter of leadership, when are you going to grab Abbott by the ears and expose him for the fool he is!!!